Sunday, February 22, 2009

Using Cretin Turds to Expose Islam

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

The most striking similarities between the two men, Jesus and Mohammad, are both men died over a thousand years ago, they left no written documents, and their teachings were first passed through oral histories for many years before being written down.

You claim _ALL_ are guilty because of the actions of a few. Hysterically you say actions by people in the past can be used to condemn _ALL_ Muslims forever.

People use evil to advance their unholy ways; all the while saying god told me to do it (remember the Crusades?). Evil does not exist, except within people.

For you to blame and smear a whole religion because _YOU_ follow an extremely warped interpretation of the writings of Islam is absurd. You are called on your ugly hatred. You have no credibility and are so funny trying to play the victim.

Packerwatch is correct when he says, "any religious text, shouldn't be taken as the sole, absolute authority on what is justifiable."

But you are simply using race bating tactics to fling turds of lies. As long as you spew your hate, you can expect others to hold you up as examples of lying hypocrites.

X@:o?

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Ema has taken advantage of my refutation of Packerwatch's idiotic comment as an opportunity to put her own lack of intellectual capacity on display. Her screed is a target rich environment too good to pass up; it must be exploited point by point.

Jesus vs Moe

  • The most striking similarities between the two men, Jesus and Mohammad, are both men died over a thousand years ago, they left no written documents, and their teachings were first passed through oral histories for many years before being written down.
Mixing fact and fallacy is a common left wing habit, which Ema displays to perfection. If Jesus wrote anything, I have no knowledge of it, but it is possible that he may have done so because he was a Rabbi, able to read the Torah. Moe was not literate, neither able to read nor write. He did hire a scribe to put parts of his recitation in writing, and several of his followers memorized his recitation. The records may not be complete and may contain inaccuracies, but they reveal stark differences between the two men.

Jesus was not aggressive. He taught his disciples to use gentle persuasion. Moe was aggressive. He ordered his followers to kill his critics. Moe also looted camel caravans returning from trade missions. Moe took people captive, held them for ransom and sold many on the slave market. Jesus did none of those things. Moe owned slaves and sexually exploited them. Jesus did neither.

The blasphemous implication of equality between Jesus and Moe can only result from juxtaposition of the organs of cognition and excretion. Likewise, it is impossible to equate Christianity and Islam. Christianity offers salvation through faithful acceptance of Christ's free offer. Islam offers salvation through being killed in battle against innocent people.

Collective Guilt?

  • You claim _ALL_ are guilty because of the actions of a few. Hysterically you say actions by people in the past can be used to condemn _ALL_ Muslims forever.
No, Ema, I swear that Islam is intrinsically evil, by design. I submitted relevant, verifiable evidence to prove Islam's mercenary mission and martial methods. I displayed before your eyes Allah's God damn commands to terrorize and slaughter. I exposed his sanctification of genocide and Moe's practice of it. I presented evidence that those are intrinsic sacraments of Islam, not anachronisms. I presented Moe's confirmation of the Jihad imperatives and their codification in Shari'ah. I displayed the hadith in which Moe declared that Jihad will be practiced continuously until Judgment Day. I displayed the hadith in which Moe declared that on the last day, the Muslims would hunt down the last Jew hiding behind a rock or tree and kill him. I displayed the hadith in which Moe admitted that Jihad is the original religion of Islam, cursing Muslims who would abandon it in favor of productive agricultural pursuits.

Islam's Mercenary Mission

Islam is not about theology, cosmology spirituality or benign & beneficent human relations. Islam is about perpetuating war for the personal emolument & empowerment of its founder and his succesors in the Caliphate. That is the God damn fatal fact of Islam which I have repeatedly proved.

The Spoils

Al-Anfal means "The Spoils of War, Booty, Windfalls". Al-Anfal is the title of the eighth Surah, which begins with a demonic discussion of possession of the spoils.
8:1. They ask you (O Muhammad) about the spoils of war. Say: "The spoils are for Allâh and the Messenger." So fear Allâh and adjust all matters of difference among you, and obey Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad), if you are believers.
Allah is one of 360 impotent idols resident in the Kaabaa; the spoils are for Moe, who takes the best 20% off the top and distributes the remainder as he sees fit.
8:41. And know that whatever of war-booty that you may gain, verily one-fifth (1/5th) of it is assigned to Allâh, and to the Messenger, and to the near relatives [of the Messenger (Muhammad)], (and also) the orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarer, if you have believed in Allâh and in that which We sent down to Our slave (Muhammad) on the Day of criterion (between right and wrong), the Day when the two forces met (the battle of Badr) - And Allâh is Able to do all things.
Book 52 of Bukhari's Sahih hadith collection is devoted to the oral tradition of Moe's companions concerning the division of the spoils of war. I reproduce here its entry in the table of contents.
52. One-fifth of Booty to the Cause of Allah (Khumus) [VOL 4: Hadith No. 324-412]
That book was written as a result of 8:41. These ahadith confirm the fatal fact: Islam's mission is mercenary.

Mercenary Mission:

Accrual of Spoils
Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 7, Number 331:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
The Prophet said, "I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me.
1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey.
2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum, therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due.
3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me.
4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection).
5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.
Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4327:
The spoils of war were not made lawful for any people before us, This is because Allah saw our weakness and humility and made them lawful for us.
The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me.

The spoils of war were not made lawful for any people before us, This is because Allah saw our weakness and humility and made them lawful for us.


Those are from Islam's canon of oral tradition. Death & damnation be upon Islam! They are confirmed by Islam's accursed canon of scripture.
8:69. So enjoy what you have gotten of booty in war, lawful and good, and be afraid of Allâh. Certainly, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
How in Eternal Damnation can any man read that without cursing? It is impossible! In answer to the inevitable assertions of mis-translation, mis-interpretation, distortion & perversion, I present to you Ibn Kathir's Tafsir. Read it and curse Islam! The included verses may be read together in three translations at USC.

Allah encourages His Prophet and the believers to fight and struggle against the enemy, and wage war against their forces. Allah affirms that He will suffice, aid, support, and help the believers against their enemies, even if their enemies are numerous and have sufficient supplies, while the believers are few. Allah said,

﴿يَـأَيُّهَا النَّبِىُّ حَرِّضِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عَلَى الْقِتَالِ﴾

(O Prophet! Urge the believers to fight), encouraged and called them to fight. The Messenger of Allah used to encourage the Companions to fight when they faced the enemy. On the day of Badr when the idolators came with their forces and supplies, he said to his Companions,

«قُومُوا إِلَى جَنَّةٍ عَرْضُهَا السَّمَوَاتُ وَالْأَرْض»

(Get ready and march forth towards a Paradise as wide as the heavens and earth.)

`Umayr bin Al-Humam said, "As wide as the heavens and earth'' The Messenger said,

«نَعَم»

(Yes) `Umayr said, "Excellent! Excellent!'' The Messenger asked him,

«مَا يَحْمِلُكَ عَلَى قَوْلِكَ: بَخٍ بَخ»

(What makes you say, `Excellent! Excellent!') He said, "The hope that I might be one of its dwellers.'' The Prophet said,

«فَإِنَّكَ مِنْ أَهْلِهَا»

(You are one of its people.) Umayr went ahead, broke the scabbard of his sword, took some dates and started eating from them. He then threw the dates from his hand, saying, "Verily, if I lived until I finished eating these dates, then it is indeed a long life.'' He went ahead, fought and was killed, may Allah be pleased with him.

Allah said next, commanding the believers and conveying good news to them,

﴿إِن يَكُن مِّنكُمْ عِشْرُونَ صَـبِرُونَ يَغْلِبُواْ مِاْئَتَيْنِ وَإِن يَكُنْ مُّنكُمْ مِّاْئَةٌ يَغْلِبُواْ أَلْفًا مِّنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ﴾

(If there are twenty steadfast persons among you, they will overcome two hundred, and if there be a hundred steadfast persons, they will overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve.)

The Ayah says, one Muslim should endure ten disbelievers. Allah abrogated this part later on, but the good news remained. `Abdullah bin Al-Mubarak said that Jarir bin Hazim narrated to them that, Az-Zubayr bin Al-Khirrit narrated to him, from `Ikrimah, from Ibn `Abbas, "When this verse was revealed,

﴿إِن يَكُن مِّنكُمْ عِشْرُونَ صَـبِرُونَ يَغْلِبُواْ مِاْئَتَيْنِ﴾

(If there are twenty steadfast persons among you, they will overcome two hundred...) it became difficult for the Muslims, when Allah commanded that one Muslim is required to endure ten idolators. Soon after, this matter was made easy,

﴿الَـنَ خَفَّفَ اللَّهُ عَنكُمْ﴾

(Now Allah has lightened your (task)), until,

﴿يَغْلِبُواْ مِاْئَتَيْنِ﴾

(they shall overcome two hundred. ..)

Allah lowered the number ﴿of adversaries that Muslims are required to endure﴾, and thus, made the required patience less, compatible to the decrease in numbers.'' Al-Bukhari recorded a similar narration from Ibn Al-Mubarak. Muhammad bin Ishaq recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, "When this Ayah was revealed, it was difficult for the Muslims, for they thought it was burdensome since twenty should fight two hundred, and a hundred against a thousand. Allah made this ruling easy for them and abrogated this Ayah with another Ayah,

﴿الَـنَ خَفَّفَ اللَّهُ عَنكُمْ وَعَلِمَ أَنَّ فِيكُمْ ضَعْفاً﴾

(Now Allah has lightened your (task), for He knows that there is weakness in you...)

Thereafter, if Muslims were half as many as their enemy, they were not allowed to run away from them. If the Muslims were fewer than that, they were not obligated to fight the disbelievers and thus allowed to avoid hostilities.''

﴿مَا كَانَ لِنَبِىٍّ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ أَسْرَى حَتَّى يُثْخِنَ فِي الاٌّرْضِ تُرِيدُونَ عَرَضَ الدُّنْيَا وَاللَّهُ يُرِيدُ الاٌّخِرَةَ وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ - لَّوْلاَ كِتَـبٌ مِّنَ اللَّهِ سَبَقَ لَمَسَّكُمْ فِيمَآ أَخَذْتُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ - فَكُلُواْ مِمَّا غَنِمْتُمْ حَلَـلاً طَيِّباً وَاتَّقُواْ اللَّهَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ ﴾

(67. It is not (fitting) for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he has fought (his enemies thoroughly) in the land. You desire the goods of this world, but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.) (68. Were it not a previous ordainment from Allah, a severe torment would have touched you for what you took.) (69. So enjoy what you have gotten of booty in war, lawful and good, and have Taqwa of Allah. Certainly, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.)

Imam Ahmad recorded that Anas said, "The Prophet asked the people for their opinion about the prisoners of war of Badr, saying,

«إِنَّ اللهَ قَدْ أَمْكَنَكُمْ مِنْهُم»

(Allah has made you prevail above them.) `Umar bin Al-Khattab stood up and said, `O Allah's Messenger! Cut off their necks,' but the Prophet turned away from him. The Messenger of Allah again asked,

«يَاأَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّ اللهَ قَدْ أَمْكَنَكُمْ مِنْهُمْ وَإِنَّمَا هُمْ إِخْوَانُكُمْ بِالْأَمْس»

(O people! Allah has made you prevail over them, and only yesterday, they were your brothers.) `Umar again stood up and said, `O Allah's Messenger! Cut off their necks.' The Prophet ignored him and asked the same question again and he repeated the same answer. Abu Bakr As-Siddiq stood up and said, `O Allah's Messenger! I think you should pardon them and set them free in return for ransom.' Thereupon the grief on the face of Allah's Messenger vanished. He pardoned them and accepted ransom for their release. Allah, the Exalted and Most Honored, revealed this verse,

﴿لَّوْلاَ كِتَـبٌ مِّنَ اللَّهِ سَبَقَ لَمَسَّكُمْ فِيمَآ أَخَذْتُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ ﴾

(Were it not a previous ordainment from Allah, a severe torment would have touched you for what you took).''

`Ali bin Abi Talhah narrated that Ibn `Abbas said about Allah's statement,

﴿لَّوْلاَ كِتَـبٌ مِّنَ اللَّهِ سَبَقَ﴾

(Were it not a previous ordainment from Allah...),

"In the Preserved Book, that war spoils and prisoners of war will be made allowed for you,

﴿لَمَسَّكُمْ فِيمَآ أَخَذْتُمْ﴾

(would have touched you for what you took), because of the captives.

﴿عَذَابٌ عظِيمٌ﴾

(a severe torment.) Allah, the Exalted said next,

﴿فَكُلُواْ مِمَّا غَنِمْتُمْ حَلَـلاً طَيِّباً﴾

(So enjoy what you have gotten of booty in war, lawful and good).'' eAl-`Awfi also reported this statement from Ibn `Abbas. A similar statement was collected from Abu Hurayrah, Ibn Mas`ud, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ata', Al-Hasan Al-Basri, Qatadah and Al-A`mash. They all stated that,

﴿لَّوْلاَ كِتَـبٌ مِّنَ اللَّهِ سَبَقَ﴾

(Were it not a previous ordainment from Allah. .) refers to allowing the spoils of war for this Ummah.

Supporting this view is what the Two Sahihs recorded that Jabir bin `Abdullah said that the Messenger of Allah said,

«أُعْطِيتُ خَمْسًا لَمْ يُعْطَهُنَّ أَحَدٌ مِنَ الْأَنْبِيَاءِ قَبْلِي: نُصِرْتُ بِالرُّعْبِ مَسِيرَةَ شَهْرٍ، وَجُعِلَتْ لِيَ الْأَرْضُ مَسْجِدًا وَطَهُورًا، وَأُحِلَّتْ لِيَ الْغَنَائِمُ وَلَمْ تُحَلَّ لِأَحَدٍ قَبْلِي، وَأُعْطِيتُ الشَّفَاعَةَ، وَكَان النَّبِيُّ يُبْعَثُ إِلَى قَوْمِهِ، وَبُعِثْتُ إِلَى النَّاسِ عَامَّة»

(I have been given five things which were not given to any Prophet before me. (They are:) Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey. The earth has been made a place for praying and a purifyer for me. The booty has been made lawful for me, yet it = was not lawful for anyone else before me. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection). Every Prophet used to be sent to his people only, but I have been sent to all mankind.)

Al-A`mash narrated that Abu Salih said that Abu Hurayrah said that the Messenger of Allah said,

«لَمْ تَحِلَّ الْغَنَائِمُ لِسُودِ الرُّؤُوسِ غَيْرَنَا»

(War booty was never allowed for any among mankind except us.) ﴿Abu Hurayrah said;﴾ This is why Allah the Most High said,

﴿فَكُلُواْ مِمَّا غَنِمْتُمْ حَلَـلاً طَيِّباً﴾

(So enjoy what you have gotten of booty in war, lawful and good.)

The Muslims then took the ransom for their captives. In his Sunan, Imam Abu Dawud recorded that Ibn `Abbas said that the Messenger of Allah fixed four hundred (Dirhams) in ransom from the people of Jahiliyyah in the aftermath of Badr. The majority of the scholars say that the matter of prisoners of war is up to the Imam. If he decides, he can have them killed, such as in the case of Bani Qurayzah. If he decides, he can accept a ransom for them, as in the case of the prisoners of Badr, or exchange them for Muslim prisoners. The Messenger exchanged a woman and her daughter who were captured by Salamah bin Al-Akwa`, for exchange of some Muslims who were captured by the idolators, or if he decides he can take the prisoner as a captives.

﴿يَـأَيُّهَا النَّبِىُّ قُل لِّمَن فِى أَيْدِيكُم مِّنَ الاٌّسْرَى إِن يَعْلَمِ اللَّهُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمْ خَيْراً يُؤْتِكُمْ خَيْراً مِّمَّآ أُخِذَ مِنكُمْ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ - وَإِن يُرِيدُواْ خِيَانَتَكَ فَقَدْ خَانُواْ اللَّهَ مِن قَبْلُ فَأَمْكَنَ مِنْهُمْ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ ﴾

(70. O Prophet! Say to the captives that are in your hands: "If Allah knows any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.'') (71. But if they intend to betray you, they indeed betrayed Allah before. So He gave (you) power over them. And Allah is All-Knower, All-Wise.)

Encouraging Believers to fight in Jihad; the Good News that a Few Muslims can overcome a Superior Enemy Force

The fatal fact of special dispensation to accrue spoils is confirmed by Maududi as well, may Islam be damned to Hell!
(8:69) So eat that which you have obtained - for it is lawful and clean--and fear Allah.49 Surely Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

*49. In attempting to explain the circumstantial background of the above verse, some commentators on the Qur'an have referred to the deliberations for deciding the fate of the Quraysh captives after the Battle of Badr. In that council Abu Bakr pleaded to release the captives in return for ransom while 'Umar suggested that they should be put to the sword. Preferring Abu Bakr's suggestion, the Prophet (peace be on him) set all the captives free in return for ransom. However, God disapproved the decision as is evident from the above-quoted verse. (See Muslim, 'Jihad', 'Bab al-lmdad bi al-Mala'ikah fi Ghazwah Badr'; and the comments on verses 67 and 68 by Ibn Kathir; and on verse 67 by Jassas and Qurtubi - Ed.) The viewpoint of the commentators can be faulted on the grounds that they failed to offer any persuasive explanation of this part of the same Qur'anic verse: 'Had it not been for a previous decree from Allah.' This could mean either the Divine decree in eternity which determines all that will happen, or, God's decree in eternity to make the spoils of war lawful for the Muslims. Now, it is evident that it is unlawful to take anything from someone unless it has been declared lawful according to Revealed Law. Hence, were the above view to be accepted, it would mean that all, including the Prophet (peace be on him), had committed a sin. Such an interpretation can hardly he entertained especially since this view is dependent on the authority of isolated ('ahad) traditions.
In my opinion, in order to understand the above verse it should be borne in mind that preliminary instructions about war had already been given in Surah Muhammad which was revealed before the Battle of Badr:
Therefore, when you meet, the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them). Thereafter, either resort to generosity or to ransom until the war lays down its burden (Muhammad 47: 4).

This verse had already made it lawful for the Muslims to hold the enemy in captivity or to accept ransom contingent on the total suppression of the enemy. The Muslims had, therefore, acted in accordance with the permission granted by God to accept ransom. However, in so doing they had neglected the stipulation that the enemy should be fully subdued before the acceptance of ransom. (See the comments of Jassas on verses 67- 9-Ed.) While the Quraysh army was retreating, many Muslims took to collecting the spoils and taking the unbelievers as captives. It was only a few Muslims who chased the fleeing enemy. Had the Muslims made a concerted pursuit, a death-blow could have been struck at the Quraysh power, once and for all. God, therefore expressed His disapproal of this manner of dealing with the situation as the above-quoted verse suggests. It is obvious that it is not the Prophet (peace be on him) but the generality of Muslims at whom the reproach is directed.
The purpose of the verse is to impress upon the Muslims that they had not yet imbibed the mission of the Prophet (peace be on him). Prophets are not concerned with filling their coffers with spoils and ransom money. Rather their mission is to crush the power of the unbelievers. This was not the first instance when the Muslims had showed their worldliness. They had earlier expressed their preference to raid the trade caravan to fighting against the Quraysh army. Then, rather than try to crush the enemy, they turned to collecting spoils and taking captives, and later remonstrated about the distribution of booty. Had it not been that God had granted them permission to accept ransom (see Muhammad 47: 4), He would have severely punished them on that count. God, howeve, was merciful to them and permitted them to enjoy whatever they had seized. They should, therefore, refrain from behaviour which might be displeasing to God. It is pertinent to point out that Jassas in his Ahkam al-Qur'an, considers the above view a plausible interpretation of the verse. (See the comments of Jassas on this verse, vol. 3, pp. 72-3 - Ed.) Ibn Hisham also contains a report which supports the view. The report mentions that while the Muslims were engaged in seizing captives of war and collecting booty, the Prophet ( peace be on him) observed signs of disapproval on the face of Sa'd b. Mu'adh. The Prophet (peace be on him) asked him: 'O Sa'd! It appears that you do not approve of the behaviour of these people.' He replied: 'Yes, O Messenger of God! It is the first encounter in which God has caused the rout of the unbelivers. This opportunity should have been better utilized for crushing the unbelievers thoroughly rather than for amassing captives of war.' (Ibn Hisham. vol. 1, p. 628 - Ed.)

Thus Islam is condemned because of what it is and what it does.

  • People use evil to advance their unholy ways; all the while saying god told me to do it (remember the Crusades?). Evil does not exist, except within people.
What the Hell do you think Moe did? Are you sufficiently stupid to believe that Allah is a real deity? Allah is a stone idol in the Kaabaa. Words attributed to Allah were actually Moe's. Moe issued situational scripture, attributing it to Allah. I already showed you why. It's about the loot, stupid!

The Crusades were a reaction to centuries of Islamic invasions of Europe and interference with pilgrimages to Jerusalem. Had there been no Jihad, there would have been no Crusades.
  • For you to blame and smear a whole religion because _YOU_ follow an extremely warped interpretation of the writings of Islam is absurd. You are called on your ugly hatred. You have no credibility and are so funny trying to play the victim.
I do not smear a religion, I expose, condemn & curse a war cult which masquerades as a 'religion of peace'. I do not believe in, embrace, accept, adopt or follow Islam in any shape, manner or form. I never did and never will!

The writings of Islam speak for themselves, with extreme clarity. "Kill them wherever you find them", "fight them until", "fight those who", "made a great slaughter", "killed and wounded many of them" and "cast terror" have clear and obvious meanings which are confirmed by hadith. 9:29 is codified in Shari'ah: Umdat as-Salik Book O, Chapter 9, Section 8. I previously quoted it and provided a link to the scanned image. Moe's interpretation of his accursed recitation is fully exposed in the books of Jihad, Expedition & Khumus of Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud & Malik's Muwatta. Moe set the standard. Islam is and does what he said and did.

The translation I use for research was made by an Islamic scholar and a doctor. They used Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation and three tafsirs as guide lines in their work. At present, the on line version is not working, but you can download the pdf version and read it at leisure. It includes the translator's foot notes, some of which are extremely informative.
Translation of the meanings of The Nobl Qur’an , in the English Language - By Dr. Muhammad Taqiuddeen al-Hilaalee, Ph.D. and Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan .
King Fahd Complex for the Printing of The Holy Quran, Madina, K.S.A - 978p[PDF]
ArabicText - English Translation & Commentary [Please note that there is No English Transliteration]
Visit http://www.qurancomplex.com to read this book online .

You can read three parallel translations at USC: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/001.qmt.html#001.001
and ten at http://www.quranbrowser.com which has the best search engine. http://altafsir.com has several translations including Abdullah Yusuf Ali and Mohammad Assad, both with commentary. It also has Tafsir Al-Jalalain & Ibn Abbas.

For those adventurous souls who want to see a word by word break down with a translitteration, a translator and audio player, http://www.openburhan.net/ is your source. At http://www.qtafsir.com/ , you can search Ibn Kathir's Tafsir by word, phrase or Surah:Ayeh numbers.

The on line hadith collections are incomplete. USC has the four main collections; most others use their database. Aisha Bewley's translation of Sahih Bukhari is available at http://www.sunnipath.com/library/Hadith/H0002P0000.aspx. unlike the USC collection, it does not use named anchors, so I can't link directly to hadith.

  • Packerwatch is correct when he says, "any religious text, shouldn't be taken as the sole, absolute authority on what is justifiable."
What makes any damned fool believe that piracy is ever justifiable? It is not possible to justify barbarian aggression, but Moe put words in Allah's mouth for that very purpose.
  • But you are simply using race bating tactics to fling turds of lies. As long as you spew your hate, you can expect others to hold you up as examples of lying hypocrites.
Islam is not a race. Islam is a war cult which has enslaved people of several races. For the rest of your statement, look in a mirror because you accurately describe your own conduct. I post accurate, logical conclusions based upon relevant, verifiable fact. I link to my sources. Anyone reading this can click on those links and read what I have read. Hatred of Islam is well founded on its damnable doctrines & accursed works which include a 1385 year history of barbarian conquest, genocide, rapine & terrorism.

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Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

You have really gotten a snort full this time. Too bad none of it is reality based.

You acknowledge, “The records may not be complete and may contain inaccuracies,” Yet you are a zealot and A.B.S.O.L.U.T.E.L.Y certain of your "facts."

You claim _ALL_ are guilty because of the actions of a few. Hysterically you say actions by people in the past can be used to condemn _ALL_ people forever.

Hell even Christ recognized people change their ways and could seek forgiveness and redemption.

"In answer to the inevitable assertions of mis-translation, mis-interpretation, distortion & perversion, I present to you Ibn Kathir's Tafsir. Read it and curse Islam! The included verses may be read together in three translations at USC."

...Three translations? Does that not ‘prove’ _different_ interpretations and possible mis-interpretation? You are running yourself ragged with your circular logic/reasoning/justification.

People (you and PackSmack for example) use evil to advance their unholy ways; all the while saying god told me to do it (remember the Crusades?). Evil does not exist, except within people.

Are you so omniscient that Allah is not a real deity?

The Crusades were fully sanctioned by christianity's god so saith the pope.

For you to blame and smear a whole religion because _YOU_ follow an extremely warped interpretation of the writings of Islam is absurd. You have no credibility and are morally bankrupt.

For the sake of pure comedy you through in, "The translation I use for research was made by an Islamic scholar and a doctor. They used Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation and three tafsirs as guide lines in their work."
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“It is not possible to justify barbarian aggression,” You try to, throughout your calling for the mass killing of unarmed and defenseless people.

“Hatred of Islam is well founded”

You are simply using race bating tactics to fling turds of lies. As long as you spew your hate, you can expect others to hold you up as an example of a lying hypocrite.

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PackSmack said...

Ben,

Fantastic post. Another document rich with truth and links to original sources which can be used as a resource for many. Thank you for the effort you put in to create it.

PackSmack said...

Ema,

I'm glad you brought up the Jesus vs. Mohammed debate.

One issue is telling and should settle the debate once and for all. And that is this: Jesus is alive. Mohammed is dead. Case closed.

By the way, I found your picture on the internet. Here it is:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcrprsj6_429hdqr5pfx

Ema Nymton said...

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PackSmack,

"Jesus is alive. Mohammed is dead."

And you 'know' this how?

Isn't it true, that according to the history of the era, a man fitting the description of your carpenter was nailed to the cross by the Romans over two thousand years ago? Reports from the scene at the time, said the man was dead when he was taken down from the cross.

Dead is dead. Dead is dead.

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PackSmack said...

Ema,

You said, ""Jesus is alive. Mohammed is dead." And you 'know' this how?"

You don't care how I know because you, yourself don't want to know; if you really wanted to know, you already would. Anything I say you would scoff at, because you do not want to hold yourself accountable as a guilty sinner before a holy God.

You will throw up any smokescreen to hide behind your sin, you will try to shoot down any reason or witness, so that you can continue on in your self-will instead of humbling yourself, turning away from your sin, and desiring that God's will be done in your life, not your own will.

You can continue to try to create your own reality of relativism in this effort, to shield yourself from light, truth, freedom and liberty, but your status as a sinner accountable to a holy [pure] God does not change, regardless of your unwillingness to believe it.

You are a sinner. I am a sinner. But you are without hope because you refuse to believe in God's provision for the penalty of sin, the shedding of Jesus' righteous blood.

You are without hope because you refuse God.

You think that you can fabricate a reality other than the one Jesus died for, but it isn't your world and you don't get to make up the rules, and you don't get to make up a god.

Think about it...what are you going to do two seconds after you, too, die? Does not thinking about it change the fact that you WILL die? Are you ready? Are you prepared? Why should a holy God allow you into His kingdom? Based on what? You reject His Son, so now you're on your own, an unrighteous creature in a righteous kingdom. How do you suppose you can survive? Especially since impurity is purged from the presence of God.

So you do not want to know how I know. But not only did His witnesses write down what they saw, including His resurrection, and it is in a book called the Bible, but I have also seen other things, things that would make your pea-sized brain pop like a zit, things that defy a natural explanation and can only be described as supernatural. And I was not alone, other saw as well. How can you explain that in a critically important time, something was one place and then it was in another place 100 feet away and no person had moved it? Or how can you explain that also, during that critical time/event, something was here, and then it was not, and then it was? And there were four witnesses? If there is no natural explanation, it leaves only a super-natural explanation. There are mighty things ahead, things that are wonderful and amazing, but you don't have any hope of seeing anything except the penalty for your own sin if you continue to demote God, deify man, devalue Jesus, deny sin, and denigrate Scripture.

Good luck with that.

Ben said...

Ema, there is not a great deal of direct correspondence between the vocabularies of Arabic and English.

Translators work with dictionaries. Each dictionary has lists of words corresponding to the closest matches in the other language.

Many words can have multiple meanings, in both languages, depending on the context.

Colloquialisms change over time. Some words in one language will have meanings requiring several words to express in the other language.

Classical Arabic was in its infancy in the 7th century. It had neither vowels nor diacritical marks, only consonants. The proceeding sentence would look like this in that form: t hd nthr vwls nr dcrtcl mrks, nly cnsnnts.

Written Classical Arabic was a memory aid, nothing more. You'd need to know the content in order to read it.

USC-MSA shows each verse in three translations by Yusuf Ali, Pickthall & Shakir.

Quranbrowser.com displays ten translations in tabular form.

At Islamicawakening.com you can see 18 translations in parallel.

In all cases, with the exception of one polemic translation by Rashid Khalidi, the words differ but the meanings do not.

I am informed by a Copt who was forced to study the Qur'an & hadith in Arabic, that the Hilali & Khan translation is 95% accurate. Its errors fall into two cases.

Wherever it uses the word mary, the real word is enkaho, which means the same as the acronym for Fornication Under the Crown of the King.

In many cases where it uses the word fight, the real word is kill.

Moe showed you what it means by his actions. He exemplified obedience to Allah's commands by razzia & ghazwat, killing, enslaving, raping , terrorizing & looting anyone he could victimize.

Islam's canon of codified oral traditions is all there is. No proof exists, and none ever will. The originals were burned when the Qur'an was codified.

If you have the money, and access to the right book stores, you can purchase a ten volume set of Tabari, which will probably cost you $1000, and take a life time to read. Then there is a ten volume set of Ibn Kathir. Then there is Umdat-as Salik, which runs to 1252 pages and the Hidaya, of comparable size, a 92MB download without the chapter which includes the laws of Jihad 'cuz the translator thought it was not applicable to modern India.

The closest thing yer gonna get free is The Prophet of Doom, which is 1000 pages. It combines Qur'an, Sira & Sunah to povide context & chronology. The Topical Quotes section, not included in that page count, includes copious quotes of the most bloodthirsty nature, from Tabari & Ishak. http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

It ain't a matter of guilt, Ema. It is a matter of intrinsic evil. As I proved in the current post, Islam is mercenary & martial. It was created for the purpose of maintaining a constant state of war so that Moe could obtain a constant stream of spoils, extortion & sex slaves.

Its similar to vampirism, Ema. Once bitten by a vampire, one becomes a vampire and bites others, who then become vampires sucking the blood of more victims. In Muslim 19.4294, Moe tells his field commanders to offer three courses of action: Embrace Islam > Embrace Islam & Join Jihad or remain in place > Pay Jizya or be killed.
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4294

Ema, we know that Allah is an impotent idol because he promised the Muslims a 10:1 advantage over Kuffar. When the Muslims could not cut the mustard, he reduced the ratio to 2:1. That's in 8:65-66, Ema; look it up. Despite 4 full scale invasions, Israel is still there, Ema. That's how we know. Allah's promise of triumph are vain.

Ema, I will show you something others will not reveal. This quote comes from Bukhari 2.23.334, Google it; you'll find it 'cuz each hadith is a named anchor.

By Allah, I too wish him good, but by Allah, I do not know what Allah will do with me though I am Al lah's Apostle.

Moe declared that he was in fear of Hellfire! Do you know why Muslims say PBUH whenever they reference his name? Now you know, Ema!

33:56. Allâh sends His Salât (Graces, Honours, Blessings, Mercy, etc.) on the Prophet (Muhammad ) and also His angels too (ask Allâh to bless and forgive him). O you who believe! Send your Salât on (ask Allâh to bless) him (Muhammad ), and (you should) greet (salute) him with the Islâmic way of greeting (salutation i.e. As­Salâmu 'Alaikum).

Moe did not improve, Ema. On his death bed he issued an order to drive Jews & Christians out of Arabia.

Because Moe was the "seal of the Prophets", there is no prophet after him. None can change Allah's words; they are evil and will always remain so.

The Pope is fully human, Ema, and fallible. Many Popes and Bishops were corrupt and in error.

That fact does nothing to reduce the intrinsic merit of counter attack against and retaliation for Islamic invasions of Europe.

So, the Crusaders killed innocent Jews and massacred guilty Muslims. They weren't perfect. That fact does nothing to reduce the absolute intrinsic evil of Islam which was founded for Moe's personal emolument & empowerment.

How is it possible that an Arrogant AssWhole could be the final & supreme Prophet of a just and merciful God, Ema? Remember what he said?

Bukhari Ch 61 # 2756: ...It is mentioned from Ibn 'Umar from the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, "My provision has been placed under the shadow of my spear, and abasement and humility have been placed on the one who disobeys my command.

Ema, that quote comes from Aisha's Bewley's translation of Bukhari. It has been Bowdlerized from the other on line collections. Here is the url:
http://www.sunnipath.com/library/Hadith/H0002P0061.aspx

Hit Ctrl F and enter 2756, you'll get close enough to find it.

How many women did Jesus rape? How many six year old girls did he marry? Was he thighing them when they were three years old? How many of his critics did he order his disciples to kill?

Compare that to Moe's record. They couldn't possibly both be Prophets, and Moe certainly could not be superior to Jesus!

Its simple, Ema. Islam is shit from start to finish. It was compounded from a mangled mix of Christian & Judaic pseudagraphia & scripture and remnants of paganism and Zoroastrianism. It was fabricated for a mercenary purpose, as I proved above, and its methods are barbarian.

That's objective factual reality, Ema. Face it.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

In your OPINION, "Islam is shit from start to finish. It was compounded from a mangled mix of Christian & Judaic pseudagraphia & scripture and remnants of paganism and Zoroastrianism. It was fabricated for a mercenary purpose, as I proved above, and its methods are barbarian."

What you think of Islam or why, really matters not. You may hate yourself all you want. You can try to twist half facts and half truths (whole lies) till your hearts content. Lying yourself to the truth will not work.

When you call for the mass killing of unarmed and defenseless citizens of USA and the rest of the world, then it does matter.

- You try to justify your calls for extreme barbarism by blaming the victims.
- You try to excuse your hysterical screams for heinous behavior by resorting to guilt by association.
- You try to rationalize your twisted "objective factual reality" by resorting to lies.

You have no credibility and no moral authority.

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PackSmack,

"You are a sinner." What I am is not the issue. That which will happen to me after death is of no concern of yours.

Throughout the discussions on your blogs, you will find I have tried to stay focused on your ungodly calls for death and destruction of unarmed and defenseless citizens of USA and the world. I will continue to do so as long as you openly call for the killing of people who follow the teachings of Islam.

"You are without hope because you refuse God." Truly this is arrogance on your part, don't you think? It is not up to you to make this judgment.


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PackSmack said...

Ema,

You can lead a liberal to water, but you can't make him think.

Arrogant? As a fellow sinner, I'm not judging you; I'm just telling you what God says about us all:

Jeremiah 29:11-13
“For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.”

Take it or leave it.

But man does not live on bread alone; he also needs hope.

So ahead and throw aside that life preserver that sits in the water right in front of your face, if you want. That indeed is your free choice.

Ben said...

Ema, do you have a definitive diagnosis of dis-associative personality disorder?

It is obvious to me that you fail to recognize your own guilt of the accusations you hurl at us.

As I have previously pointed out, extinction of Islam is not equivalent to genocide. It requires mass apostasy, not mass killing. It is only necessary to kill those who cling to the demon and will not apostasize when confronted with the enormity of Islam's doctrines & practices.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

OK. I'll play your game.

"It requires mass apostasy, not mass killing. It is only necessary to kill those who cling to the demon and will not apostasize when confronted with the enormity of Islam's doctrines & practices."

Is there any persuasive argument that will get YOU to stop clinging to the demons of your religious beliefs? We know the answer to this question. (No, you already answered this question.)

The true question is by what authority do you demand others to surrender their internal personal beliefs? Simply because you follow an extremely warped interpretation of the writings of Islam, do you really think others are going to be willing to walk away from their religion?

Is it up to you to decide for others what religion to follow!? (You do not even follow the tenants of your own christian beliefs.)

Many people devoutly believe and follow the teachings of their religion.

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"It is obvious to me that you fail to recognize your own guilt of the accusations you hurl at us."

Please show me where I called for the mass killing of unarmed and defenseless citizens of USA and the world. When did I question your loyalty or patriotism because you did not agree with me?

When did I try to justify the calls for extreme barbarism by blaming the victims?
When did I try to excuse hysterical screams for heinous behavior by resorting to guilt by association?
When did I try to rationalize twisted "objective factual reality" by resorting to lies?

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Ben said...

With every act and expression of worship for Allah & respect for Moe, Ema.

Islam is aggression. Islam is terror. Islam is genocide. You can not be a Muslim nor support/defend Islam without supporting its intrinsic sacraments.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

Answer the questions,

Is there any persuasive argument that will get YOU to stop clinging to the demons of your religious beliefs?

What authority do you demand others to surrender their internal personal beliefs?

Simply because you follow an extremely warped interpretation of the writings of Islam, do you really think others are going to be willing to walk away from their religion?

Is it up to you to decide for others what religion to follow!? (You do not even follow the tenants of your own christian beliefs.)

When did I question your loyalty or patriotism because you did not agree with me?

When did I try to justify the calls for extreme barbarism by blaming the victims?

When did I try to excuse hysterical screams for heinous behavior by resorting to guilt by association?

When did I try to rationalize twisted "objective factual reality" by resorting to lies?

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