Thursday, February 12, 2009

Cultural Difference: Jihad Imperatives

Now comes Victoria News with a one sided approach to inter-cultural dialog. Google alerted me to the existence of their editorial from which I have quoted a few excerpts out of context with my comments.

EDITORIAL: Conversations about ethnic and cultural differences right way to go

This arises in context of Lorenzo Bouchard's campaign to ban Islam from Canada. He allegedly posted demands for an Islam ban on bulletin boards at a local university. Subsequently, Muslim students claimed to be in fear for their physical safety because of those postings.
Fears about safety have been churned up in the Muslim student community at the University of Victoria recently
Is there any rational basis for those 'fears", or are they the product of paranoia or political expediency? Does Lorenzo Bouchard have a proven history of making or carrying out threats of physical violence? Was there any threatening language in those posters? While those questions remain unanswered, I will presume that the claims of "fears" are the product of political expediency.
There are violent passages in virtually all sacred religious texts, including some that target specific groups and some simply declaring the omnipotence of the god figure.

I am only familiar with Christian & Islamic scripture. Are Buddhists & Hindus engaging in Jihad? Did they perpetrate the attacks at Beslan, London, Madrid or New York? Then why bring up other scriptures?

The fact is that Islam's scripture contains open ended, outcome oriented Jihad imperatives without chronological or geographic limits. I present the text of those ayat as translated by Hilali & Khan, with links to parallel translations and to Ibn Kathir's Tafsir. [Emphasis added.]
  • 8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do.
  • 9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Those are fight...until loops with compound terminal conditions; without time limits. They are not anachronisms. Their revelator prophesied that Jihad would continue until the last day.
  • ...and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist).... Abu Dawud Book 14, Number 2526
The entire world must be conquered, no matter how long it takes, and Muslims will be cursed if they abandon their duty, as made clear in this hadith.
  • Abu Dawud Book 23, Number 3455:

    Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:

    I heard the Apostle of Allah, (peace_be_upon_him) say: When you enter into the inah transaction, hold the tails of oxen, are pleased with agriculture, and give up conducting jihad (struggle in the way of Allah). Allah will make disgrace prevail over you, and will not withdraw it until you return to your original religion.

Can you connect the dots?
  • and give up conducting jihad
    • until you return to your original religion
Conducting Jihad is their religion. I do not find in the Christian Gospels any direct equivalent to Islam's Jihad imperative. If you find one, please submit the book chapter & verse.
We must be careful as a society not to encourage the ignorance-based idea that everyone who adheres to a particular faith will interpret those passages the same way.
Muslims are not empowered to interpret their scripture, which includes two types of verses: clear and unclear. The clear verses contain Allah's commands, including those cited above, and his rules, etc. which are to be believed in and implemented. The clear verses do not require interpretation. The meaning of the clear verses has been fixed by scholars, based upon Moe's sunnah. The unclear verses have meanings known only to Allah, and are to be believed but not implemented. To fully comprehend this, you need to read 3:7 and its tafsir.
  • 3:7. It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad ) the Book (this Qur'ân). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkâm (commandments, etc.), Al-Farâ'id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudud (legal laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers, etc.)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allâh. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding. (Tafsir At-Tabarî).
    • ...The Muhkamat are the Ayat that explain the abrogating rulings, the allowed, prohibited, laws, limits, obligations and rulings that should be believed in and implemented. As for the Mutashabihat Ayat, they include the abrogated Ayat, parables, oaths, and what should be believed in, but not implemented.... The Mutashabihat and Muhkamat Ayat
Moe demonstrated the meaning of 8:39 & 9:29 by waging numerous wars, as reported in his sunnah. Follow the links to the hadith cited above and use the links in the left side bar to go up to the next few levels and read the several books of Jihad in the four collections at USC. While Ibn Kathir goes into detail about the orders to fight, other exegetes find them so obvious that no elaboration is required. Examine these examples; note how Maududi goes into great detail about Jizya, but not the order to fight.
The ban Islam campaign also calls for the destruction of the Qur’an, the Islamic holy book. On some levels, that’s like saying we should ban other religions because their holy texts refer to non-believers as heathens who should be destroyed.
Please substantiate this assertion. Lorenzo's petitions* call for Islam to be banned, they do not mention destroying the Qur'an. They also explicitly state the grounds on which Islam should be outlawed.
To: Prime Minister of Canada (Stephen Harper)





But in this day and age, we must be vigilant when individuals or groups with a certain viewpoint threaten – either implicitly or directly – the well-being of others who are minding their own business.
It appears to this reader that your editorial is casting innuendo against Lorenzo Bouchard, accusing him of threatening Muslims. If you have evidence of any threat, why don't you publish it?

The business of Islam; of Muslims is Jihad. Must we be vigilant against those who explicitly threaten our well being? It appears that you have no clue concerning the application of your own expression. I will therefore cite Islamic law, which requires a minimum of one military attack against Dar al-Harb in every year. The following quotes are from Umdat as-Salik. [Book O, Chapter 9.]
O9.1 ...As for subsequent times, there are two possible states in respect to non-Muslims. The first is when they are in their own countries, in which case jihad (def: o9.8) is a communal obligation, and this is what our author is speaking of when he says, "Jihad is a communal obligation," meaning upon the Muslims each year....

O9.8: The Objectives of Jihad

The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled" (Koran 9.29),

the time and place for which is before the final descent of Jesus (upon whom be peace). After his final coming, nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus' descent (upon him and our Prophet be peace), which is the divinely revealed law of Muhammad. The coming of Jesus does not entail a separate divinely revealed law, for he will rule by the law of Muhammad. As for the Prophet's saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),

"I am the last, there will be no prophet after me,"

this does not contradict the final coming of Jesus (upon whom be peace), since he will not rule according to the Evangel, but as a follower of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) ).

When Muslims carry out demonstrations, they frequently display signs urging our decapitation and proclaiming that Islam will conquer and dominate us. What do you say about those threats?


Ema Nymton said...


Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

Please, enough already with the endless paragraphs of senseless non sequitur dribble.

You and PackSmack hysterically scream _for_others_ to kill unarmed and defenseless men, to kill unarmed and defenseless women, and to kill unarmed and defenseless children; and then have the nerve to ask, "Is there any rational basis for those 'fears"?"

If you are honestly serious in your vapid attempts to call for a holy war against Islam, shouldn't people fear you?


PackSmack said...

Ben, the moron who wrote the article is the typical eyes-closed-shut, foolish liberal, the likes of which are useful idiots to the Muslims right now, as seen by her article which seeks for us to lower our defenses and accommodate the Islamic population despite their refusal to assimilate, and would be dhimmi's at best if Islam took over. Useless, useless, ignorant children, they are. Only Ema would hand them power; oh, that is right, him and his ilk already did.

Ema Nymton said...



Boo. There is a Muslim behind you in your closet. Watch out she is going to get you. Boo.

You and Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul have opened a new worm hole to a parallel world.

You climbed the wisdom tree dangled the logic rope, and hanged yourself until you were dead right. You have succeeded in making this blog a parody.



PackSmack said...


You wish I was afraid of a sodomite little Muslim fellow. That would make you feel real big for a change.


Ben said...

Bouchard is campaigning for banning Islam from Canada. His petition does not mention killing or assaulting Muslims implicitly explicitly.

The Muslim students claim to be afraid, without visible cause.

The Editor implies that Bouchard threatens Muslims, without evidence to substantiate the calumny.

Muslims chant calls for death & destruction and display signs demanding decapitation of Kuffar who 'insult' their profit. It is the Muslims who make threats.

This is a clear and obvious exemplar of Islamic moral inversion & projection. Ema took the bait and slithered with it.

Ema Nymton said...


Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

With the brain train a-comin’ you strapped yourself to the clever tracks with this one.

"Bouchard is campaigning for banning Islam from Canada. His petition does not mention killing or assaulting Muslims implicitly explicitly." _YOU_ do!

Are you honestly serious in your sorry attempts to call for a jihad against Islam? You are being taken for your words. Then shouldn't people fear you?

Yours "is a clear and obvious exemplar of self-serving moral inversion & projection." You freely use the tools of terrorist to threaten unarmed people.

You are scum.


Ben said...

Slither back down the crapper, imbecile.

The editor of that newspaper made no mention of me or my postings and most probably has no knowledge whatsoever of either.

The editor calumniated Bouchard by implying, without evidence, that he had threatened the Muslim students.

The threats & intimidation flow from Muslims and their willing accomplices.

Ema Nymton said...


Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

You have held your smart the gun to your head and pulled the brilliant trigger.

?"The threats & intimidation flow from Muslims and their willing accomplices."?

_YOU_ and PackSmack call for a holy jihad of mass killing of unarmed and defenseless people. And then try to accept no responsibility for your calls to action. You freely use the tools of terrorist to threaten citizens of USA, Canada and the rest of the world.

You are a coward.


Ben said...

Ema continues to practice projection.

The threats & intimidation flow directly from Islam's canon of scripture, tradition & jurisprudence.
Any literate person can read them, Ema, denial is idiotic.

Ema Nymton said...


Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

"The threats & intimidation flow directly from Islam's canon of scripture, tradition & jurisprudence.
Any literate person can read them, Ema, denial is idiotic."

YOUR and PackSmack's threats and intimidation against unarmed defenseless citizens of USA, Canada, and the rest of the world flow directly from Islam's canon of scripture, tradition & jurisprudence? I am not surprised. After all your effort to hide your true secret identity. You are a follower of an extremely warped interpretation of the writings of Islam.

I am surprised you admit it here on this blog though. It goes to prove I am right that you are a Muslim agent provocateur posing as a Islam hater.

"Any literate person can read them, Ema, denial is idiotic." So who has been denying anything?


PackSmack said...

Ema, (or is that Enima?)

You just keep spinning in circles. You deny that Islam is evil.
Therefore you do not have a clue.

It is you that is a Muslim agent provocateur posing as a liberal lesbian Muslim-Jew-Christian. Of course, we don't buy that lie either.

Ema Nymton said...


PackSmack (or is it PickNose),

Can you deny Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul's and YOUR threats and intimidation against unarmed defenseless citizens of USA, Canada, and the rest of the world flow directly from Islam's canon of scripture, tradition & jurisprudence (as Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul admits)? Does not Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul quote chapter and verse from the Qu'an as he gives orders to kill?

As Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul says, "Any literate person can read them, ... denial is idiotic."

Have you ever heard Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul deny he is a Muslim??

How does it feel to know YOU have been had? Chump.


PackSmack said...

Still running in circles, Emma. Islam is evil. Don't try to change the subject.

Ema Nymton said...



"Islam is evil. Don't try to change the subject."

What makes Islam evil that YOU and Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul do not use to threaten unarmed and defenseless citizens of USA, Canada and the rest of the world?