Saturday, February 7, 2009

Prove it, Ema!

Ema Nymton has left a new comment on the post "Obamination: Spewing Feces":

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

"Every Muslim is a potential Mujahid & terrorist. That's the fact;"

Fact: every person, every person is a potential ((lover, sweetheart, liar, cheat, killer) insert whatever you want them to be).
People are what they are, not what we want them to be. Muslims are warriors, by Allah's commission. He purchased their lives & property for the price of admission to the celestial bordello so that they fight in his cause, kill and are killed. This fact is clear on the face of 9:111; it can not be denied. Ibn Kathir's Tafsir explains the bargain thusly.
Allah states that He has compensated His believing servants for their lives and wealth -- if they give them up in His cause -- with Paradise. This demonstrates Allah's favor, generosity and bounty, for He has accepted the good that He already owns and bestowed, as a price from His faithful servants. Al-Hasan Al-Basri and Qatadah commented, "By Allah! Allah has purchased them and raised their worth.'' Shimr bin `Atiyyah said, "There is not a Muslim but has on his neck a sale that he must conduct with Allah; he either fulfills its terms or dies without doing that.'' He then recited this Ayah. This is why those who fight in the cause of Allah are said to have conducted the sale with Allah, meaning, accepted and fulfilled his covenant. Allah's statement, (They fight in Allah's cause, so they kill and are killed.) indicates that whether they were killed or they kill the enemy, or both, then Paradise will be theirs.
Maududi goes to considerable length in explaining this ayeh, here is a sample.
*106 In this verse that aspect of the Islamic Faith which determines the nature of the relationship between Allah and His servants has been called a transaction. This means that Faith is not merely a metaphysical conception but is, in fact, a contract by which the servant sells his life and possessions to Allah and in return for this accepts His promise that He would give him the Garden in the Life-after-death. In order to comprehend the full implications of this transaction, Iet us first understand its nature.

"the congruent pattern of barbarian violence" can be seen from every point of view.

Fact: events in the past are passed. Half truths are whole lies.
History is replete with Islamic conquest. Moe's Sira & Sunnah are full of it, and they are the primary models for Muslims to emulate. The Sunnah link gives you access to Sahih Bukhari. Read Books 52, 53 & 59. Those are Sunnah: exemplary conduct for Muslims to emulate in all places, at all times because Moe was the final Profit, there is no Profit after him; his recitation and exemplification of Allah's word are final.
"It is not necessary that every Muslim swing a sword. Once a sufficient number is recruited, the others can sit at home and subsidize their warfare with Zakat."

Nineteen men from Saudi Arabia steal four air craft and attack USA. You and PackSmack call for holy jihad against more than a billion people.

The "magnificent 19" were the "mules" doing a "wet job" in a grand conspiracy 8 years in the making. Between 1787 and 1815, the Barbary Pirates attacked American merchant vessels. The explanation given for their attacks echoes the explanation given on the battlefield to a Persian general.
The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman (or Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.

Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master."
Allah declared war upon everyone who does not submit to Islam. That declaration, contained in 8:39 & 9:29, is being prosecuted by the current generation of Allah's slaves. Allah sanctified and mandated war, they are waging it; we need to defend ourselves.

And you and PackSmack paint _every_ Muslim with the same brush. You and PackSmack call for the killing of _every_ Muslim because of the actions of a few!! NOW THAT IS A FACT!!

The fact is that we call for the eradication of Islam because eradicating Islam is the only possible way to obtain & secure peace. While Islam exists, peace is impossible because Islam is permanent war. There are two possible ways to eradicate Islam.
  1. Emancipate Allah's slaves, removing the yoke of his slavery.
  2. Usher them into Hell.
I prefer the first method. I expect that a combination of the two methods will be required. This is because the most zealous clerics & Mujahideen are unlikely to abandon the war cult and be emancipated.

You say a fact is a fact. -
From _your_ warped point of view, the 'half-truth' fact is USA invaded, destroyed, and occupied the country of Iraq. All the people of Iraq must be punished because some are Muslims and had it coming to them.

War is Hell. If you don't want to burn, don't light the fire. Iraq invaded Kuwait, and was planning to push on to Saudi Arabia. They also cooperated with al-Qaeda and other terrorists. Iraq's egregious violation of the terms of cease fire were ample casus beli.

Fact: Iraq was attacked, destroyed and occupied by foreign forces. Unarmed people of Iraq were killed. The people of Iraq have a right to resist occupation by foreign forces.

The fact is that Iraq was the aggressor. Aggressors abrogate their rights, risking everything in the process. Iraq was not destroyed, heavily damaged, but not destroyed. We could have and should have nuked Iraq, we would have saved 4,000 lives and kept about 25,.000 others whole.


Truth: every side of an argument has its 'evidence supporting its 'truths' and conclusions with a means of verifying the evidence.

You take a fact, distort it significance, and call for a wholly inappropriate action. Sounds exactly like those who attack USA. One cannot separate you and your actions from those of the people you passionately and irrationally hate.

So much reason & logic from a 2 year old playing with matches.
I have chapter & verse, Ema. I frequently cite them, as I did above. 9:29 is the basis of Umdat as-Salik O9.8. 8:39 is the basis of O9.9. These, Ema, are Islamic law.
O9.8: The Objectives of Jihad

The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled" (Koran 9.29),

O9.9

The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim (O: because they are not a people with a Book, nor honored as such, and are not permitted to settle with paying the poll tax (jizya) ) (n: though according to the Hanafi school, peoples of all other religions, even idol worshippers, are permitted to live under the protection of the Islamic state if they either become Muslim or agree to pay the poll tax, the sole exceptions to which are apostates from Islam and idol worshippers who are Arabs, neither of whom has any choice but becoming Muslim (al-Hidaya sharh Bidaya al-mubtadi' (y21), 6.48-49) ).

You can go to Scribid, look up the reference numbers and verify it, Ema. I recently posted a series of 24 quotes from Islamic jurists which confirm those rulings and explicitly state the minimal requirement of one attack per year. That is the fact, Ema, a fact which you can not counter. You have no proof to counter it because it is objective factual reality, supported by the clear text of the Qur'an, hadith & Shari'ah.

Permanent war, Ema! Permanent war, mandated in 2:216, sanctified in 9:29, exemplified in 33:26-27 & 59:2 and throughout the Jihad hadith. Islam is intolerable because it is a never ending mandate to murder, rape and enslave all who do not accept it. Jihad is prophesied to continue until Ressurection Day. Muslims are cursed if they abandon Jihad. Participation in Jihad is the price of avoiding Hellfire and admission to Paradise.

Facts, Ema. You can't disprove them; you can't refute them. Anyone reading this can verify them by following the links I have provided. The Qur'an & hadith form a pattern of barbarism which is confirmed by Shari'ah. It is also confirmed by Tafsir. Ibn Kathir spent his entire adult life studying & teaching Islamic scripture, tradition & law. His Tafsir verifies the demonic commands & promises which are the foundation of triumphalism, supremacism & Jihad. Prove him wrong, Ema! Each item in this list is the title of a tafsir topic. They speak for themselves, confirming what I have posted. "The Command", "The Order"," The Good News". They are links, Ema. Click them, see what Allah said; see what Moe said. Not out of context, mis-translated, mis-interpreted, perverted nor distorted. Go ahead, Ema, show your stuff; Prove Ibn Kathir to be wrong about the obvious meaning of Islamic scripture & tradition.


22 comments:

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

"People are what they are, not what we want them to be."
Finally you are learning! Muslims are people. _YOU_ are the only one who follows Allah's orders without question. You project your hate onto others. Your problems are found within you.

"The fact is that we call for the eradication of Islam because eradicating Islam is the only possible way to obtain & secure peace."

Your whole argument falls on it face with the following sentence, "This is because the most zealous clerics & Mujahideen are unlikely to abandon the war cult and be emancipated."
This is _your_ opinion, not fact!


"History is replete with ... conquest." Wow. Did you think this one up yourself?? Did not the Pope send "Christian Warriors" into battle during the Crusades? The Pope even found chapter and verse in the bible to 'forgive' the war crimes his warriors committed.

"The "magnificent 19" were the "mules" doing a "wet job" in a grand conspiracy 8 years in the making." As you brought up this fiction, I am sure Jack Bower's explanations and excuses for what he does can be found somewhere.

Continuing the fiction, you write, "The fact is that Iraq was the aggressor." Yes just as the people of Canaan were at fault when the Hebrews invaded the land flowing with milk and honey way back when. It is the victims' fault.

"Fact is USA invaded, destroyed, and occupied the country of Iraq". Your response - it is the people of Iraq's fault.

"Fact: Iraq was attacked, destroyed and occupied by foreign forces." Your response - it is the people of Iraq's fault.


"I have chapter & verse" ...

"Facts, Ema. You can't disprove them; you can't refute them."

Fact does not equal truth. Every fact has multiple sides. Your whole screed proves my points. You take a half-truth, paint it a whole fact, distort its significance, and call for a wholly inappropriate action.

So who is spewing feces?

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PackSmack said...
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PackSmack said...

Ema, your delusions are rising to a new level. Perhaps you might want to start taking your medication again.

You said, "Continuing the fiction, you write, "The fact is that Iraq was the aggressor." Yes just as the people of Canaan were at fault when the Hebrews invaded the land flowing with milk and honey way back when. It is the victims' fault. "

This proves that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and continue to offer up revisionist history to support your ignorance or your agenda.(You probably also deny the Holocaust).

1. For Iraq DID invade Kuwait. They DID renig on cease-fire agreements. They therefore called down on their own heads the wrath of the United States power.

2. You claim the Canaanites were innocent victims and the Hebrews were the aggressors. Unfortunately, the Holy Bible says something completely different, so who is right, God, or YOU??? Here is what it says in Deuteronomy 9, starting at verse 4:

"4 “Do not say in your heart when the LORD your God has driven them out before you, ‘Because of my righteousness the LORD has brought me in to possess this land,’ but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD is dispossessing them before you. 5 “It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm the oath which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
6 “Know, then, it is not because of your righteousness that the LORD your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stubborn people""

It doesn't sound like God thought the residents were innocent like you do. He thought they were extremely wicked, worshiped a false god (any God other than the God of Israel) and God decided to eliminate them because it is God's world, His rules and He can do whatever is right when He chooses.

So now you have been exposed to be the fool and charlatan that you are. You claim to know more about Canaan and it's wicked people than God does. The world can now see you for exactly who you are: a rebellious, God-hating, anti-Semitic, racist, hate-mongering, seditious, lecherous, proud, ignorant, Christ-hating, usurping, un-American, Mohammed-loving, blind, arrogant piece of crap and an enemy to the United States of America.

Ema Nymton said...

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Oh PackSmack,

I love the way you talk so dirty when you are wrong. Your limp and flaccid outbursts are so exciting, it turns me on.

"you are: a rebellious, God-hating, anti-Semitic, racist, hate-mongering, seditious, lecherous, proud, ignorant, Christ-hating, usurping, un-American, Mohammed-loving, blind, arrogant piece of crap and an enemy to the United States of America." - you forgot Jewish, Christian, and lesbian....

The Holy Bible was written by _men_ (as the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' prove). Winners write the history. The history is made up of facts with many facets.

Are you now saying you strictly follow the written words in the 'old testament'? Do you live by Deuteronomy and Leviticus? If you do, stay away from shell fish and clothes made from mixed cloth. Do you beat your wives using approved size weapons?

Besides, why do you care what the bible says. You only use it when it suits your purpose. You do not follow any of the teachings of Christ. Remember kill, kill, kill.

~@:o?
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packerwatch said...

"Eradicating Islam is the only possible way to obtain & secure peace... There are two possible ways to eradicate Islam. Emancipate Allah's slaves, removing the yoke of his slavery [or] Usher them into Hell."

that's the kind of attitude that sparked the spanish inquisition. you are literally suggesting that any Muslim who doesn't renounce his or her religion be slaughtered.

that's a really fucking scary idea.

Ema Nymton said...

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Packerwatch,

"you are literally suggesting that any Muslim who doesn't renounce his or her religion be slaughtered."

PackSmack and Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul do not 'suggest', they come right out and say it. They scream 'kill unarmed Muslim men', 'kill unarmed Muslim women', 'kill unarmed Muslim children' - all the while saying they are good Christians.

Go figure.

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Ben said...

As I stated, Ema is incapable of proving her meretricious case. The relevant, verifiable proof is all on my side, not hers. Islam is permanent war. I cited the evidence, Ema can not refute it. Bringing up the conquest of Canaan proves nothing. So the ancient Hebes engaged in one genocidal conquest and several genocidal defensive actions. What have you proved?

Many other tribes engaged in conquest. Islam stands alone as claiming divine mandate for unending warfare. Allah commands Muslims to conquer the entire world, which conquest will only be completed on Resurrection Day. The scope is global and the duration is perpetual. Who can match that?

Muslims have sold their lives and wealth to Allah, to do his wet jobs in return for admission to the celestial bordello on Resurrection Day.


Muslims have a curse dangling over their heads if they ever abandon Jihad in favor of agriculture.

Peace is therefore impossible while Islam exists. This is objective factual reality, substantiated by credible evidence and Ema objects to its expression.

I posted links to Ibn Kathir's Tafsir so that you can read the ayat & ahadith which prove my case. His is an expert opinion, widely accepted. The commands and the promises are laid out for you with unmistakable clarity.

So Ema has a hissy fit about the Crusades, ignoring the fact that the Crusades were Europe's reaction to centuries of invasions from the Ottoman Empire. She seeks to divert your attention from the real aggressors because she is arguing the losing side with no evidence to support it.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

You may express your 'bloodlust' and racist opinions all you want. As a liberal jewish christian muslim I find you opinions comical. Your thinking and reasoning are third rate. Your use of English is petty, clumsy, and course.

Honestly I do not want you to stop. Every time you open your mouth, you eliminate all doubt about you stupidity.

"Peace is therefore impossible while Islam exists. This is objective factual reality, substantiated by credible evidence and Ema objects to its expression."

If one objects to anything you write, it is your expression of your twisted opinion as fact. You take a half-truth, paint it a whole fact, distort its significance, and call for a wholly inappropriate action.

o@:-?
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PackSmack said...

PW, you said, "you are literally suggesting that any Muslim who doesn't renounce his or her religion be slaughtered.

that's a really fucking scary idea."

No, what is scary is that you don't denounce the perpetrators of Islam who and which teaches that those who are not Muslims be terrorized, slaughtered and looted. I suppose that you cheered on 911 like the rest of the barbarians.

packerwatch said...

cheering on 9/11. that's a nice straw man you've set up. you know very well (at least i hope you do) that i didn't cheer on 9/11.

so, packsmack. how do you propose we round up muslims to convert or kill them? and do you really think that's what we should do?

Ben said...

Peckerhead (aka PW) you've drilled one tree too many.

Your thinly veiled assertion that we propose to round up Muslims is a stinking straw man argument.

We do not propose a roundup. Conversion begins with the distribution of accurate information about Moe and his war cult.

I propose the production and global distribution of a full length feature documentary based on the Qur'an & hadith so that the Ummah can see what Moe was and what he did. Those who retain a scintilla of morality will reject Moe and his demon after they learn the truth.

As for the recalcitrant zealots, there is no need for a roundup, they will self-identify & congregate for obliteration if we do things correctly.

Israel missed the perfect opportunity when they offed Yassin. Tens of thousands of terrorists marched in his funeral procession. They were perfect targets of opportunity. A single Daisy Cutter would have ushered thousands of demon spawn into Hell.

As with flies, kill one and hundreds will come to the funeral. Then there will be hundreds of funerals, followed by thousands.... geometric expansion, if you get my drift.

Of course, I recognize that you ain't smart enough to comprehend such a simple and effective plan.

We ain't Hitler nor his emulators. Hitler was emulating Moe. The Muslim version of the Second Coming is that Jesus will lead the Muslims in exterminating the remaining Jews.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

"Hitler was emulating Moe."
Fact: Hitler was a Catholic.
Fact: Moe was member of the Three Stooges slap stick comedy group.

Please get your 'facts' straight.

"I propose the production and global distribution of a full length feature documentary based on the Qur'an & hadith so that the Ummah can see what Moe was and what he did. Those who retain a scintilla of morality will reject Moe and his demon after they learn the truth."

"We do not propose a roundup. Conversion begins with the distribution of accurate information about Moe and his war cult."

You, your web pages and blogs have been playing your tunes for a while. How is that working out for you?

".... geometric expansion, if you get my drift."
and you call yourself christian?

Please note Packerwatch, how quickly Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul backs away from his statements when he is called on them. His 'It is their fault that I did it' is truly pathetic and cowardly.

Both Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul and PackSmack suffer from Muslim Deranged Syndrome.

o@:-?
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Ben said...

Ema is so full of feces it threatens to clog her keyboard.

Hitler was not a practicing Catholic. One of his cronies reported that Hitler was drawn toward Islam, feeling it better suited to Germans than Christianity.

One chapter of The Prophet of Doom compares Hitler's writing to Moe's Sunnah, Ch. 18 if memory serves. You should read it, its a real eye opener.

packerwatch said...

so anyone who goes to a terrorist's funeral should be killed? ignoring the legal and moral problems raised by your "bomb everyone at the funeral" approach, what if someone who wasn't attending the funeral but happened to be in the area died in the blast?

what about people who aren't terrorists but also don't like your lame "documentary?" what do we do with them?

Ben said...

So, Peckerhead, given a choice between nuking all the majority Muslim areas in the world and selectively bombing terrorist funeral processions where 90% will be legitimate targets, you prefer the more general slaughter.

That is not the most humane choice.

PackSmack said...

PW, so what are the legal and moral problems if Muslims sawing off Nick Berg;s head? What were the legal and moral problems of 911? Is Islam then immoral or is it not immoral?

packerwatch said...

haha ben when did i say that we should nuke the entire muslim world? i'm the one saying that it is immoral to kill anyone who won't convert from islam. you and packsmack said that anyone who remains a muslim should be "ushered into hell." you're the one advocating slaughtering the muslim world, not me.

packsmack, you're giving me a false choice. you're saying i either think we should kill muslims who remain committed to their religioin or i'm ok with 9/11. i'm not ok with EITHER. that's not too hard of a concept.

packerwatch said...

@ben:

"I propose the production and global distribution of a full length feature documentary based on the Qur'an & hadith so that the Ummah can see what Moe was and what he did..."

hahaha you can make it the new slogan for right hooks.

"Right Hooks: 'one full length feature documentary' away from changing the world." yes, a documentary to destroy the world's second largest religion! how has no one thought of it before!


also, what the fuck kind of fly goes to a funeral?

this site is bordering on self-parody.

PackSmack said...

OK, PW, you're the President of the United States; you got elected despite the best efforts of RightHooks' propaganda machine...somehow. So what to YOU then do to protect the people of the United States from Islamic terrorist attacks????


Well????

packerwatch said...

if i was the president:

1.) secure loose nuclear weapons--probably the most important and most overlooked aspect of national security.

2.) expand diplomacy and open more embassies/consulates, etc, even in, rather, particularly in, regions where there are high levels of anti-americanism

3.) streamline national security so that there aren't 6 or 7 different departments trying to coordinate our national security strategy. this was one of the biggest failures before 9/11. the fbi didn't talk with the cia who didn't talk with the nsa, etc., etc.

4.) declare neutrality in the israeli-palestinian conflict (this one would not be politically feasible) or encourage a one-state solution (slightly more feasible as a political proposal, but less feasible as an actual solution)

5.) eliminate the cold war "good vs evil" mentality from our intelligence agencies.

6.) etc, etc. obviously, i can't outline an entire foreign policy plan in a blog comment. unless i'm ben, in which case i can say "bomb funerals" because apparently flies swarm to funerals, and then more flies, and apparently flies are muslims and since it's really easy to get rid of all flies in the world, it should be easy to get rid of muslims, especially if you have a "full length feature documentary" at your disposal. i like my plan better, though.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

Oh ya kill'n me. Stop. I gotta get a breath. The humor is too much....

"Hitler was ... drawn toward Islam,"

Honestly your comedy is way too 'new wave'.

Look, you cannot carry out your stated goals of killing every man, woman and child and leaving the world in complete and permanent war, without following every action of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. So just come out and state it.

Of course you can throw in that you are a Christian if it make your conscience feel better.

Love your humor. Excuse me I have to go the toilet to pee.

0@:o|
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PackSmack said...

pw, expand diplomacy? neutrality on Israel? eliminate good vs evil strategy? Nope. I agree with your #1, but we might be on top of that aready.

ema, nice to hear you are finally peeing in the toilet and no longer just in your pants.