And what, one might legitimately ask, was the Muslim grievance that caused those (seemingly never-ending) eighteenth century acts of piracy on the Barbary Coast? Were they in any way similar to the Muslim complaint that precipitated that infamous and deadly attack on the Munich Olympics?
Jihad: Doctrine Driven
Islam's Jihad is not grievance driven, it is doctrine driven. The following quote comes from Wikipedia.In 1786 Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman or (Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). They asked him by what right he extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Secretary of State John Jay, and to the Congress:Jefferson and Adams were dealing with Islamic supremacism & triumphalism.. Islamic law is based upon the Qur'an & hadith. 4:74, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 386 contains a vitally important quote which matches the Ambassador's arrogant answer.
The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman (or Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven. [3]
Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master."The order mentioned in that hadith is found in Surah At-Taubah 29, in the form of an outcome oriented fight until loop.
Another hadith reveals how Moe interpreted that command.9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:Our lives and property are not sacred to Muslims, in essence fair prey, until we become Muslims. Moe declared open season on us. Jihad is not about any act or omission on our part, it is about what "Allah said" and Moe did. To put an end to Jihad, we must put an end to Islam. Nobody wants to recognize that fatal fact. My mission is to rub your nose in it until you recognize it and rise up demanding that our government take effective action.
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have."
The promise of Paradise is alluded to in Surah An-Nisa' 74.
4:74. Let those (believers) who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter fight in the Cause of Allâh, and whoso fights in the Cause of Allâh, and is killed or gets victory, We shall bestow on him a great reward.
Islamic law confirms Allah's abominable command. It tells us that the caliph makes war on us; that it is a communal obligation binding upon Muslims, in every year. I quote from Umdat as-Salik. Book O, Chapter 9.
O9.1: The Obligatory Character of Jihad
Jihad is a communal obligation (def: c3.2). When enough people perform it to successfully accomplish it, it is no longer obligatory upon others (O: the evidence for which is the Prophet's saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),
"He who provides the equipment for a soldier in jihad has himself performed jihad,"
and Allah Most High having said:
"Those of the believers who are unhurt but sit behind are not equal to those who fight in Allah's path with their property and lives. Allah has preferred those who fight with their property and lives a whole degree above those who sit behind. And to each, Allah has promised great good" (Koran 4:95).
If none of those concerned perform jihad, and it does not happen at all, then everyone who is aware that it is obligatory is guilty of sin, if there was a possibility of having performed it. In the time of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) jihad was a communal obligation after his emigration (hijra) to Medina. As for subsequent times, there are two possible states in respect to non-Muslims.
The first is when they are in their own countries, in which case jihad (def: o9.8) is a communal obligation, and this is what our author is speaking of when he says, "Jihad is a communal obligation," meaning upon the Muslims each year.
The second state is when non-Muslims invade a Muslim country or near to one, in which case jihad is personally obligatory (def: c3.2) upon the inhabitants of that country, who must repel the non-Muslims with whatever they can).
O9.8: The Objectives of Jihad
The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled" (Koran 9.29),...
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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,
"Our lives and property are not sacred to Muslims, in essence fair prey, until we become Muslims. " So become Muslim and shut up with your whining.
Your posts are becoming tiresome. You claim _ALL_ are guilty because of the actions of a few (simple, simplistic, silly). Hysterically you say actions by people in the 1700's (acts of piracy on the Barbary Coast) can be used to condemn _ALL_ Muslims forever.
People use evil to advance their unholy ways; all the while using saying god told me to do it (remember the Crusades?). Evil does not exist, except within people.
For you to blame and smear a whole religion because you follow an extremely warped interpretation of the writings of Islam is absurd. You are called on your ugly hatred. It is super great fun watching you turn yourselves inside out as you run away from statements that you make. You are so funny trying to play the victim.
As long as you spew your hate, you can expect others to hold you up as examples of lying hypocrites.
"My mission is to rub your nose in it until you recognize it": 'it' is easy to recognize. You are bat-shit crazy.
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hahahahaha. you quoted wikipedia. hahahaha.
Also, I could write a post called "Slavery: Doctrine Driven." I could also use a more legitimate source than Wikipedia (Dr. Larry E. Tise's "Proslavery: A History of the Defense of Slavery in America").
John Saffin, a prominent slavery advocate, wrote that since Abraham owned slaves, "our Imitation of him in this Moral Action is as warrantable as that of [adopting] his Faith. God set different Orders and Degrees of Men in the World ... some to be High and Honourable, some to be Low and Despicable... Servants of sundry sorts and degrees, bound to obey; yea, some to be born Slave, and so to remain during their lives."
And of course, the King James Version of the Bible reads as follows (Lev. 25: 44-46:)
"Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour."
I certainly don't consider Christianity a religion hell-bent on enslaving all "heathens" around the world. However, I'm sure that if the Qur'an contained this passage, you would strike it up as evidence that Islam is evil.
pw, but of course the same passage read from the New American Standard version, which is a more literal translation, reads a bit differently:
"Leviticus 25:44-46 (New American Standard Bible)
44'As for your male and female slaves whom you may have--you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you.
45'Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession.
46'You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves. But in respect to your countrymen, the sons of Israel, you shall not rule with severity over one another. "
It was not a command, it was what was allowed. They were not commanded to take slaves, they were allowed to; you don't have to but you may.
Which is totally unlike the murderous and infinite qualitis that Mohammed placed on Muslims. If you are so blind to be able to see a moral inequality, and actually think that these are moral equivalents, you are indeed lost in liberal illusion.
Furthermore, elsewhere in the Bible, there are commands to treat slaves humanely, which is completely different than Islam.
Also, by accepting the children of the people involved with the Israelites, God was fabricating taking care of the well-being of those families by bringing them into and under His blessing.
Quite the opposite of the Islam's behavior for the last 1400 years...
So go ahead and close your eyes to the true intentions of Islam. Cover your ears, too, it's what Obama and the rest of the Party of Defeat is currently doing. The mujahadeen will love you for it.
But since you quoted the Old Testament, and cited it as authority, remember God's warning from Genesis 12 {He was talking to Abraham and confirmed the same blessing to Isaac and Jacob [Israel]}:
"I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you..."
Good luck with that.
This week, returning visitors have accounted for about 1/3 of the traffic on this site each day. That means that about 2/3 of the visitors represent virgin eyes. I am making a very important set of facts available to them.
I am not whining, Ema, I am cursing; damning Allah and his slaves with every keystroke.
Allah commanded Muslims to wage perpetual war, with a prophecy that it would continue to the end of the world.
Moe confirmed that command, adding that our blood and property are not sacred to Muslims.
Repetition is a valid educational tactic, Ema, especially in the case of those who, like you, learn very slowly.
Islam is intrinsically evil, by design. Its mission is mercenary and its method is martial. It sanctifies terrorism, genocide, rape & murder.
Those are facts, Ema; facts which I have substantiated with ample documentation. You are unable to refute the evidence and disprove them.
All Muslims are victims of Islam. Unfortunately, they seek to make victims of us. We reject Islam, Ema. We won't submit. We won't accept dhimmitude. We won't accept slavery.
Islam is condemned by the words of its demon and his profit. Islam is condemned by the works of Moe and his "rightly guided Caliphs".
Islam was contrived for an evil purpose: accretion of income, wealth, power and sex slaves through the professional practice of piracy.
One hadith from Aisha Bewley's translation of Sahih Bukhari, included in my latest post, clearly demonstrates both Moe's mercenary motivation and arrogance. He said that his provision was placed under the shadow of his spear. He said that abasement and humility were placed on anyone who disobeyed his command.
Yer forked, skewered, rooked & mated, Ema. Yer King lies face down at E1 with his sword protruding from his back.
the passage still JUSTIFIES slavery, regardless of which translation you use. to me, slavery is unjustifiable. do you think that the bible was wrong in this particular instance, or do you think that "you don't have to but you may" enslave certain people?
my point wasn't that the old testament should be taken as an absolute authority. my point was that the bible, or any religious text, shouldn't be taken as the sole, absolute authority on what is justifiable.
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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,
Smoking raw hallucinogen will have affects beyond belief.
"Yer forked, skewered, rooked & mated, Ema. Yer King lies face down at E1 with his sword protruding from his back." You wish.
Scream all you want. You have no credibility on this matter or any other religious issue. Any moral authority you claim is zero.
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I have the ultimate moral authority, Ema: truth. I did something you can not do: I posted relevant, verifiable facts which prove my case and presented an easy way to verify them.
Allah & Moe opened their pie holes and exposed their mercenary mission. I reveal the contents of Islam's canon of scripture, tradition & jurisprudence so that readers can discover for themselves exactly what Islam is and does.
Its truth, Ema, and you can't refute it. No matter how frequently and vehemently you repeat your litany of lies, you are defeated, exposed to the world as a lying servant of Satan.
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