Ema Comments:
Congratulations you have completed the circle.
Your call to, "... exterminate Islam in order to make and secure peace..." parrots the same call by Joseph Goebbels and his government (change the word 'the Jew' for 'Islam'). Your trying to take away the humanity of the people you wish to kill, also was a tool used by Goebbels and Co.
Islam is an institution; a fictional legal person, neither a race nor a tribe.
Lib
Turds can't see the forest for the trees.
Hitler & Co. did not set out to eliminate Judaism, they set out to exterminate Jews and anyone else
they deemed inferior. The accusations they made against the Jews were false pretexts, calumnies & blood libels.
The only people we wish to kill are
those determined to kill or enslave us. Islam has fixed doctrines, set inflexibly and immutable since Moe died in 632.
Muslims must make war upon us until two compound conditions are met. The imperatives and conditions are set forth in
8:39 &
9:29.
- all resistance ceases
- only Allah is worshipped on a global scale
- "people of the book" are conquered & subjugated
- "people of the book" make annual extortion payments
Those wars are
mandatory, not optional.
2:216. Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.
Killing _people_ may be an "... objective factual reality." that applies to all sides. And what do you have? Unending killing in the name of your god. Does not your books in the bible call for "an eye for an eye"? The result of course is a totally blind world.
The objective factual reality is war; perpetual war declared by Moe and prosecuted by Islam since 632 whenever it has sufficient fighting capacity to mount military expeditions.
The war is in Allah's name, not God's. The translators of the Qur'an define Jihad as "holy fighting in Allah's cause". Allah's cause was defined by Moe as making his word superior; to make Islam dominant. Study the footnote to
2:190.
V. 2:190) Al-Jihad (holy fighting) ln AlIah's Cause (with full force of numbers
and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars (on
which it stands). By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior, (His
Word belng La Haha illallah which means none has the right to be worshipped but
Allah), and His Religion (Islam) is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah
protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior
position; their honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish.
Jihad is an obligatory duty In Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape
from this duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfil this duty, dies with
one of the qualities of a hypocrite.
Narrated Abdullah bin Masud I asked Allah's Messenger, 'O Allah's Messenger!
what is th e best deed?' He replied, "To offer the Salat (prayers) at their early fixed
stated times.' I asked, 'What is next ln goodness?" He replied, 'To be good and
dutlful to your parents." I further asked, 'What is next in goodness?' He replied,
'To participate in Jihad in Allaha's Cause.' I did not ask AIIAh's Messenger anymore
and if l had asked him more. he would have told me more. (Sahi Al-Bukhari VoI.4. Hadith N¤.41).
Allah's cause is defined in this saying collected by Bukhari.
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 65:
Narrated Abu Musa:
A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."
Islam is not cafeteria Catholicism; its all or nothing; litteralist & absolute. Muslims must obey Allah and emulate his Messenger. Allah's commands are contained in clear verses, the foundations of his book. Study 3:7 and Ibn Kathir's Tafsir until you comprehend this fatal fact.
3:7. It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad ) the Book (this Qur'ân). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkâm (commandments, etc.), Al-Farâ'id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudud (legal laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers, etc.)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding. (Tafsir At-Tabarî).
Allah states that in the Qur'an, there are Ayat that are Muhkamat, entirely clear and plain, and these are the foundations of the Book which are plain for everyone.... (They are the foundations of the Book), meaning, they are the basis of the Qur'an, and should be referred to for clarification, when warranted, ...
The Muhkamat are the Ayat that explain the abrogating rulings, the allowed, prohibited, laws, limits, obligations and rulings that should be believed in and implemented. ... [The Mutashabihat and Muhkamat Ayat]
- clear verses
- commands
- obligations & rulings
- believed and implemented
8:38 provides the object:
Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven. But if they return (thereto), then the examples of those (punished) before them have already preceded (as a warning).
From the context, we understand that the reference is to the Mekkan pagans.
8:39 is both clear and imperative.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.
Allah then commanded fighting the disbelievers when He said:
(...until there is no more Fitnah) meaning, Shirk. This is the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ar-Rabi`, Muqatil bin Hayyan, As-Suddi and Zayd bin Aslam. Allah's statement:
(...and the religion (all and every kind of worship) is for Allah (Alone).) means, `So that the religion of Allah becomes dominant above all other religions.' It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Abu Musa Al-Ash`ari said: "The Prophet was asked, `O Allah's Messenger! A man fights out of bravery, and another fights to show off, which of them fights in the cause of Allah' The Prophet said: (He who fights so that Allah's Word is superior, then he fights in Allah's cause.) [The Order to fight until there is no more Fitnah]
9:39 contains both object and verb in one verse. It, too is clear and imperative.
Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
This honorable Ayah was revealed with the order to fight the People of the Book, after the pagans were defeated, the people entered Allah's religion in large numbers, and the Arabian Peninsula was secured under the Muslims' control. Allah commanded His Messenger to fight the People of the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, on the ninth year of Hijrah, and he prepared his army to fight the Romans and called the people to Jihad announcing his intent and destination. [The Order to fight People of the Scriptures until They give the Jizyah]
The ayat containing the war imperatives are clear on their faces, requiring no exegeses. Yet Ibn Kathir confirmed them for us. Further confirmation is found in the following and other hadith.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have."
Those commands to make war are clear and unambiguous. Fighting must continue until the entire world is conquered and none but Allah worshiped, with the adherents of scriptural religions subjugated and extorted. Moe confirmed this, saying that Jihad would continue until Judgment Day.
Abu Dawud Book 14, Number 2526
Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.
In
8:67, Allah specifies genocide as Moe's price of admission to Paradise. Read it carefully.
It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
There you go again, playing the victim. "Argumentum ad hominem" means in Latin, argument to the man, or argument against the man. My posts here have been directed against your long-winded arguments and their circular fallacies. In your response you wrote, "... This ain't about ancient Hebrew history, nor is it about deviations from orthodox Christian doctrine & practice. ..." trying to defend actions by followers of the bible. Is it not reasonable that a follower of Islam can use these actions and calls to defend themselves against you and the action you call for?
There are no falacies in my posts. Your side has a monopoly on falacies. There is no need to defend the wars or excesses of false professors of Christianity. Killing the Jews along with their Muslim conquerors was unjust and indefensible. Retaliating against Islam's aggression was neither. Jesus issued no command for the excesses. The fault lies not with Christianity, but with those who claimed to practice it.
Islam has no defense against accurate charges of genocidal aggression. Allah's commands are clear and unmistakable. I have included them in this post, linked to source and explained by Ibn Kathir's Tafsir, also linked to source. They are further confirmed by Moe's Sunnah. Which one of them does not mean exactly what it says? Which one is not authentic? Which one is not reflected in Islamic law?
Argumentum Tu quoque is a diversion, not a defense; it attempts to shift attention from Islam to Christianity.
Islam is perpetual war. This fatal fact must be kept front and center, open for discussion, not obscured by persiflage. Allah commanded the Muslims to fight pagans until only Allah is worshiped; Jews & Christians until they are subjugated & extorted. The fighting has neither chronological nor geographic limits; its scope is eternal, its scale is global. Moe declared that it would continue until the last day.
One must recognize that in every confrontation, both side will have valid complaints and issues. Solving issues and problems require people to respect each other and work together to find common ground.
A declaration of war was made solely on grounds of religious belief & practice, which was a pretext. The actual objective is exposed by 8:67, quoted above.
You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives)
Coupled with
8:1 and
8:41, doubt is greatly reduced. But
33:27 &
48:20 erase all doubt.
And He caused you to inherit their lands, and their houses, and their riches, and a land which you had not trodden (before). And Allah is Able to do all things.
Allah has promised you abundant spoils that you will capture, and He has hastened for you this, and He has restrained the hands of men from you, that it may be a sign for the believers, and that He may guide you to a Straight Path.
Islam is not a religion, it is a mercenary war machine which wears the mantle of religion as a camouflage.
"... Where the jury is rational, facts trump emotional arguments."
The facts are you cannot kill every one who does not agree with you.
Thats another resort to ad hominem. There is no proposal to kill on the basis of disagreement, only a proposal to induce mass apostasy and kill the recalcitrant remainder; the zealots. Your straw man stinks, try using straw not contaminated by manure.
While you were quoting statements of people, why not choose a true statement made by a person recently?
In Islam, authority & authenticity are established by antiquity & scripture. Islam's doctrines are fixed by the Qur'an. Islamic law is based on the Qur'an & Sunnah. Its what Islam mandates; what Muslims do because they obey Allah & emulate Moe. I could quote Hassan Al-Banna, but the quote would be of him quoting Sharia. You would not be any happier with that.
"If Christ were on earth today, undoubtedly he would hoist the banner of justice and love for humanity to oppose warmongers, occupiers, terrorists and bullies the world over ..."
Just out of curiosity, "if Christ were on earth today, would you listen to him and his messages (Beatitudes)?"
Or would Jesus be listed among the dirty hippy liberal leftists socialists that you see as fools, traitors, and the enemy?
The irrelevant personal insult sticks out like a sore toe; the last resort of the trapped
Lib
Turd totally impoverished of relevant, verifiable facts and logic.
Ben,
You clearly do not know right from wrong. When you write, "... we need to exterminate Islam in order to make and secure peace. You can't have lambs and lions, a choice must be made.
There are three possibilities:
1. nuke them off the face of the earth
2. emancipate as many as possible from slavery to Allah and kill the recalcitrant remainder
3. suffer continued attacks until we are finally conquered and subjugated. ..." You have crossed the line.
Just how do you intend to carry out your call to kill the followers of Islam who live in USA? These men, women and children may be citizens of USA. Or do you think USA should follow examples of earlier western countries circa 1933-1945 that first took away the citizenship of the minorities that they targeted for killing?
PackSmack
Maybe you should really take back your blog. Mass murder is not an American value.
Typical
Lib
Turd; incapable of comprehending simple writing. My blog posts have been submitted to an analyzer, and most of them were rated as accessible to junior high school students, the highest requirement was high school reading ability.
I presented a three element ordered list of alternatives; evidently Ema can't comprehend the second alternative. I can't really blame Ema for being ignorant of my full program. I could blame Ema for not searching for it on the web, but I won't. Instead, I will piss off Ema by republishing it here, gratifying PackSmack and informing others in the process.
