Monday, April 6, 2009

Obamanation: Treason in Turkey

REMARKS BY PRESIDENT OBAMA

TO THE TURKISH PARLIAMENT

Turkish Grand National Assembly Complex

Ankara, Turkey April 6, 2009

Because the speech presents a target rich environment this post will
concentrate on the issue of relations with Islam. I will block quote
relevant excerpts from the prepared remarks, linking my comments with
superscripts inserted into the excerpts.

Now, our two democracies are confronted by an unprecedented set of challenges: An economic crisis that recognizes no borders; extremism that leads to the killing of innocent men and women and children1; strains on our energy supply and a changing climate; the proliferation of the world's deadliest weapons; and the persistence of tragic conflict2.

In the Middle East, we share the goal of a lasting peace between Israel and its neighbors. Let me be clear: The United States strongly supports the goal of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security. That is a goal shared by Palestinians3,
Israelis, and people of goodwill around the world. That is a goal that the parties agreed to in the road map and at Annapolis. That is a goal that I will actively pursue as President of the United States.

Both must overcome longstanding passions and the politics of the moment4 to make progress towards a secure and lasting peace.

We must reject the use of terror5, and recognize that Israel's security concerns are legitimate.

Now, I have made it clear to the people and leaders of the Islamic
Republic of Iran that the United States seeks engagement based on
mutual interest and mutual respect6. We want Iran to play its rightful
role in the community of nations. Iran is a great civilization7. We want them to engage in the economic and political integration that brings prosperity and security. But Iran's leaders must choose whether they will try to build a weapon8 or build a better future for their people.

So both Turkey and the United States support a secure and united Iraq that does not serve as a safe haven for terrorists9.

Make no mistake, though: Iraq, Turkey, and the United States face a
common threat from terrorism10. That includes the al Qaeda terrorists who have sought to drive Iraqis apart and destroy their country. That includes the PKK. There is no excuse for terror against any nation.11 (Applause.) As President, and as a NATO ally, I pledge that you will have our support against the terrorist activities of the PKK or anyone else. These efforts will be strengthened by the continued work to build ties of cooperation between Turkey, the Iraqi government, and Iraq's Kurdish leaders, and by your continued efforts to promote education and opportunity and democracy for the Kurdish population here inside Turkey.
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Finally, we share the common goal of denying al Qaeda a safe haven in Pakistan or Afghanistan. The world has come too far to let this region backslide, and to let al Qaeda terrorists13 plot further attacks. That's why we are committed to a more focused effort to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda14. That is why we are increasing our efforts to train Afghans to sustain their own security, and to reconcile former adversaries. That's why we are increasing our support for the people of Afghanistan and Pakistan, so that we stand on the side not only of security, but also of opportunity and the promise of a better life.15

I know there have been difficulties these last few years. I know that
the trust that binds the United States and Turkey has been strained,
and I know that strain is shared in many places where the Muslim faith is practiced. So let me say this as clearly as I can: The United States is not, and will never be, at war with Islam16. (Applause.) In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world17 is critical not just in rolling back the violent ideologies that people of all faiths reject18,
but also to strengthen opportunity for all its people.

I also want to be clear that America's relationship with the Muslim
community, the Muslim world, cannot, and will not, just be based upon opposition to terrorism19. We seek broader engagement based on mutual interest and mutual respect20. We will listen carefully, we will bridge misunderstandings, and we will seek common ground21.
We will be respectful, even when we do not agree. We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith22, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world -- including in my own country. The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans23. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country --I know, because I am one of them. (Applause.)

Our focus will be on what we can do, in partnership24
with people across the Muslim world, to advance our common hopes and our common dreams.
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There's an old Turkish proverb: "You cannot put out fire with flames."
America knows this. Turkey knows this. There's some who must be met by force, they will not compromise. But force alone cannot solve our problems, and it is no alternative to extremism26. The future must belong to those who create, not those who destroy27. That is the future we must work for, and we must work for it together.


  1. 'Extremism' is a shibboleth which must be deflated. The violence perpetrated by Muslim 'terrorists' is an intrinsic part of orthodox Islam, founded on several
    ayat, notably 3:151, 8:12, 8:60 & 3:26. The message of those ayat is confirmed by two ahadith: Bukhari 1.7.331 & 4.52.220.
  2. 'Tragic conflict' persists because it is perpetuated by intrinsic and immutable
    doctrines of Islam. World conquest is mandatory, not optional under 2:216, 8:39 & 9:29.
  3. The charters of the PLO and Hamas indicate otherwise, as does the familiar mantra "from the river to the sea".
  4. The passions date back nearly 1400 years, to Moe's rejection by Jews living in the Hijaz who scorned his plagiarized mix of paganism, Christianity and
    Judaism. Allah said he would continually torment the Jews;
    and Moe said that the Muslims could not collect their reward until they finish exterminating the Jews. There will be no peace while Islam continues to propagate hatred and incite violence.
  5. So genocide & policide are ok with President Obama as long as there is no
    terror; the means justify the ends. Islam's attitude is "we conquered
    it, its ours, and we will reconquer it if it takes till doomsday!".
    Click the link to the Hamas Charter in #3 and read it carefully.
  6. There is no mutual respect. Islam is contemptuous of us and all non-Muslims.
    They are obligated to punish, humiliate and subjugate us, to defeat us
    and gather us into Hell. Is there some part of 8:55 & 3:12 that President
    Obama does not comprehend?
  7. The Persian civilization was conquered by Islam; it is dead and gone, supplanted by pure, unmitigated evil which inculcates hatred and incites violence.
    Cyrus the Great permitted rebuilding the Temple at Jerusalem. Islam demands the destruction of Israel. President Obama seems to be oblivious to the difference.
  8. That decision has been made, irrevocably. They must destroy Israel, and they need the bomb to accomplish that tactical objective.
  9. If it is Islamic, it is a safe haven for terrorists. Islam and terrorism are one and the same. Moe was a terrorist, by his own admission, cited and linked in #1. Shari'ah is
    the primary source of law for the new constitution of Iraq. Get a clue.
  10. Muslims practicing takfir will terrorize anyone they perceive as weak; unable or unwilling to effectively retaliate. Terrorism is intrinsic to Islam; the rule, not an exception. The texts linked in #1 make that perfectly clear.
  11. Is there any excuse for conquest, rape, pillage, plunder & enslavement with or without inflicting terror? Please follow the links in #1 & #2.
  12. Education, opportunity, democracy etc. are irrelevant. Terrorism is a function of
    doctrines, not grievances.
  13. Al-Qaeda means "the base". Ummah al-Islamiya is the base of the pyramid of Islam. Islamic law requires a minimum of one military expedition against Kufar
    in every year. That requirement predates Abd al-Wahhab & co. Read chapter 9 of Book O of Umdat as-Salik.
  14. So long as Islam exists, al-Qaeda can not be defeated, its fallen martyrs
    will always be replaced and resupplied.
  15. They don't want opportunity and a better life, they want to conquer the entire world, obtaining Allah's approval and subsequent admission to the celestial bordello. Shari'ah is the primary source of law for Afghanistan's new
    constitution. Get a clue.
  16. Islam is at war against Dar ul-Harb: the entire non-Muslim world; wherever
    Allah's writ does not rule. Follow the links in #2 and #13; read O9.8 & 9.9 Get a clue.
  17. We have no partnership with Muslims, it is explicitly forbidden by several ayat including 3:118, 5:51, 58:22, & 60:1.
  18. Violence is not part of an external ideology, it is intrinsic to Islam! Read the ayat linked in #2 and get a clue. Islam does not reject violence, it mandates it: "Jihad
    is ordained for you".
  19. Good idea; we should also consider Jihad, genocide, misogyny and subjugation of Kufar, each and every one of which is ample cause for rejecting Islam.
  20. There is no mutual respect. Refer to #6.
  21. There is no common ground with Islam. Islam declares Allah to be the creator of the earth and everything on it; therefore sovereign over it and us. Allah
    has delegated to Islam the right to be regent over the entire world.
    Theologically, Islam denies the divinity, heritage, death & resurrection of Jesus Christ and co-opts him as a genocidal warmonger. These facts are fully documented in another blog post: The Defamation of Jesus Christ.
  22. What does President Obama appreciate about Islam besides the sound of the Adhan at sunset? Could it be the 270 million untimely deaths it has caused?
  23. Contributions made by individuals who may be Muslim in name only are not a legitimate source of pride for Islam.
  24. Refer to #17.
  25. Common dreams? Do we dream of world conquest; ruling and dominating the entire world? If you doubt me, read my blog post: ROPMA.
  26. Extremism is a shibboleth. Standard, off the shelf orthodox Islam is violent because it is a demonic mandate to genocidal conquest using terror as a battle
    tactic. There is no alternative to war when we are attacked by Islam
  27. Islam destroys, it does not create. Allah has pronounced an execration
    against the Muslims if they ever abandon Jihad in favor of productive pursuits.

12 comments:

Ema Nymton said...

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RightHooks said...

Great stuff. And with all the irrefutable texts you presented, Ema did not get a single clue.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

Let me get this straight.

You and PackSmack call for the killing of citizens of USA who are followers Islam, equals -you are patriots. Mr Obama, as President of USA, goes to Europe calls for peace in region, equals -Mr Obama's "mad" and a "traitor."

Strange.

(http://righthooks.blogspot.com/2009/04/ema-nymton-said.html?showComment=1238931480000#c3606731943539900609)

You are psychotic in your hatred and fear. And I am happy to point it out to you.

#@:o?
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Anonymous said...

Someone doesn't understand treason.

Ben said...

Treason: giving aid and comfort to the enemy in war time.

Specifically:
1. Artfully concealing the identity of the enemy.
2. Artfully concealing the enemy's doctrines, tenets, tactics & intentions.
3. Identifying with the enemy; claiming common cause.

The cross post at Bloggersbase has been read 93 times, compared to 7 at Freedom Ain't Free. Its predecessor: Tokens of Treason, has been read 221 times.

Let him who has balls & spine send this post to his Congressman demanding Articles of Impeachment.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

"Let him who has balls & spine send this post to his Congressman demanding Articles of Impeachment."

Well this leave YOU out, doesn't it?!

&@:o?
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Anonymous said...

Treason, as defined by the Constitution: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

First of all, treason is not merely defined as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemies. The accused must also have "[adhered] to [the] Enemies."

Additionally, you have to take a look at the precedent set by Cramer vs. United States, a WWII treason case:

"...a citizen may take actions, which do aid and comfort the enemy- making a speech critical of the government or opposing its measures, profiteering, striking in defense plants or essential work, and the hundred other things which impair our cohesion and diminish our strength- but if there is no adherence to the enemy in this, if there is no intent to betray, there is no treason."

So essentially, to convict Barack Obama of treason, you would first have to convince everyone that Obama was intentionally trying to comfort terrorists through his comments. Secondly, you would have to prove that his goal was to betray the United States. And thirdly, as is Constitutionally mandated, you would have to find two witnesses to provide direct, non-circumstantial evidence that Barack Obama wanted to betray the U.S. and that this speech in Turkey achieved that premeditated goal.

As I said before: Good luck.

Ben said...

Look sharp, Peckerhead. In a previous post: Tokens of Treason, I demonstrated Obama's common cause with the enemy: shared dreams & future.

Everyone but Morons, Idiots, Cretins & deluded damn fools knows that Islam is terrorism; that it operates by "casting terror into the hearts" of its intended victims.

Muslims worship a God damn terrorist, considering him to be the perfect role model for emulation, perfect General, husband, father, statesman and prophet.

Muslims dream of restoring the glory of Islam: the Caliphate and expanding it to include the entire world through terrorism. The God damn Traitor said that he shares that dream, loud and clear, in unmistakable, unslured English.

He previously declared that he would "stand by the Muslims" if things got ugly.

Get a clue, Cretin!!!

Anonymous said...

You haven't displayed an argument that meets the Constitutional requirements to define treason. Again, good luck.

Ben said...

I don't need to prove the case, Peckerhead! I ain't the prosecutor, neither a lawyer nor a M.C.

All I can do is shine the light of truth upon the offense committed and point it out to passers by.

With a solid working majority of 'crats in both houses, there is no realistic chance of impeachment & trial. It ain't gonna happen. But that fact does not detract from the necessity of pointing out the damnable deed being perpetrated.

The display of submission to a tyrant who sponsors terrorism stands alone as sufficient cause to remove the traitor from office.

Kyrie Eleison 2008!!! said...

hi ben-FYI-the reason packerwatch and Ema don't "get" what treason is (without you having to hit them over the head that is), is because they commit treason every single day by what they say, what they do, and who they vote into office. So essentially they're desensitized to it and don't realize they're doing anything wrong and that its treason. very sad, but true.

Anonymous said...

"[They] don't realize they're doing anything wrong and that its treason. very sad, but true."

You dumbass I just showed you the Constitutional definition of and legal precedents for treason, and it is explicitly stated that you cannot unwillingly commit treason. So your statement is, essentially, complete and utter bullshit.

You can't commit treason without "realizing they're doing anything wrong."