Thursday, April 9, 2009

Free Speech vs Islam

On a recent visit to California, Geert Wilders, Dutch M.P., spoke about freedom of speech and the threat posed to it by Islam & the appeasers. Front Page Magazine published a transcript of the speech: Free Speech vs. Islam in Europe, which I urge you to read. The excerpt below packs a great deal of truth into one paragraph, without furnishing proof. Wilders left it to the audience to read the Koran and verify the truth for themselves.

Allow me to give you a brief introduction to Islam, an Islam 101. The first thing everyone needs to know about Islam is the importance of the Koran. As you probably know the Koran calls for submission, hatred, violence, murder, terrorism and war. The Koran calls upon Muslims to kill non-Muslims. The Koran describes Jews as monkeys and pigs. The biggest problem is that the Koran is to be considered as Allah’s personal word, with orders that need to be fulfilled regardless of place or time. That’s the reason why the Koran is not open to discussion or interpretation. It is valid for every Muslim and for all times. Therefore, there is no such thing as moderate Islam. Sure, there are a lot of moderate Muslims, but a moderate Islam does not exist. As the Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan once said: “There is no moderate Islam, Islam is Islam”. For once I have to agree with this islamist Turkish Prime Minister.
The Koran is available in many translations, languages and formats. I prefer the Hilali & Khan translation for research. Some prefer Shakir, and many prefer Yusuf Ali. The Resources page at Moe's Murder Cult contains links to sites from which you can download a fair variety of Korans and many other books.
For those who prefer reading on line, the Muslim Student Association at U.S.C. presents three parallel translations of the Koran and four hadith collections. Yet Another Qur'an Browser is a search engine which displays a table of up to ten translations. Search Truth has a hadith search engine which can search any of the four top hadith collections. Qtafsir has a search engine for Ibn Kathir's Tafsir, which explains that which should be obvious to you.

Shari'ah is also available on line; someone went to the trouble of scanning more than 1200 pages of Umdat as-Salik. That large, unformatted text file can be searched with the Windows search function invoked with the Ctrl F key combination. It takes a few minutes to load on dialup. Scribid displays a scanned image of the book. Somehow they arranged a means of searching it, which works much faster than I expected.

Craig Winn synthesized five major texts to produce The Prophet of Doom, which may be described as polemic. Reading it will require some patience and dedication; it stretches to 1000 pages. You can learn a great deal by browsing the Islamic Quotes section.

12 comments:

Ema Nymton said...

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PackSmack, Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul, and Kyrie Eleison,

Don't panic. You are safe. Go back hiding in your closets and play with yourselves. The liberal secular Constitution of USA will protect you.

The old written teachings of Islam are like the old written teachings of Judaism and Christianity. The books were written (after the fact) by and for backward peoples and barbaric societies in far away times and lands. They also all preach that those who follow the teachings will achieve unending happiness.

You may want to point to passages in any of the 'holy' writs to justify your fear and hatred. That which is written is of very little importance.

Free speech is never tolerated in any religious context, organization, or society. That is why modern western societies are seldom theocracies, they are secular like the country of Turkey.

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Kyrie Eleison 2008!!! said...

OK, so you admit the Qur'an is backwards . . . now we're getting somewhere.

Rather than point you to written passages (which do not exist in the Bible) to justify YOUR fear and hatred-I'd much rather point you to WHOM all those scriptures point to - Jesus Christ.

I would encourage you Ema to pray to God and ask Him to reveal the true nature of Christ and what He did for us to you Ema. It's why you have a veil on your heart and eyes and can not "see" what us Christians see.

As it says in:
Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone captures you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

And in:
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Until THAT happens (until you take Christ as your Lord and Savior and receive the Holy Spirit), you will NEVER get it. And although it's pointless to debate with you Ema, it sure is fun in the meantime :0).

Ema Nymton said...

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"OK, so you admit the Qur'an is backwards . . . now we're getting somewhere."

So why are you quoting from another outdated book written for backward people, the bible?

As I wrote previously, there is only _ONE_ god. How and why one approaches god is between the person and god.

You, RightHooks, and Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul seem to be trying to make a big deal over minor cultural differences. Not only that, RightHooks and Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul want to kill my family and me to save me from following my faith. Go figure.

"As you probably know the Koran calls for submission, hatred, violence, murder, terrorism and war. The Koran calls upon Muslims to kill non-Muslims. The Koran describes Jews as monkeys and pigs."
Is there any violence, murder, terrorism, and war behavior found in the Koran that is not found in the Torah or Bible? Each holy writ book calls for the same actions and behaviors. No thank you.

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Kyrie Eleison 2008!!! said...

Ema:

When you are ready to stop talking in circles let me know. You vascillate from defending Islam to being offended by it. Kind of hard to debate a person whose views change like the weather. Just exactly what persuasion of "faith" are you if you don't mind me asking and sharing that sort of information?

Kyrie Eleison 2008!!! said...

Ema:

I'd also like to add:

Actually it is our Creator who does the protecting Ema. Not our Judeo-Christian Constitution.

Also, it is YOUR opinion that it is a person's choice how to "approach" that God. It is MY opinion that there is only ONE WAY to approach God and His name is Jesus Christ. He died for your sins and my sins and redeemed us (those who accept His salvation) TO God. Without that acceptance of salvation we are not able to be a part of His kingdom; nor will you be spiritually discerned enough (without the Holy Spirit) to see the truth. So I understand fully your inability to see where Ben is coming from with his insight and wisdom. It's expected really.

Not only that, but the Bible is as relevant today as it was 2,000 years ago. You should try reading it sometime (people really haven't changed for the better - as a matter of fact, the further away we get from God's way and what is written in His word, the WORSE society gets-proven by prison statistics and mental health patients).

As I said in a prior post-the Bible does not have the fear and hatred you are looking for. You will have to keep looking in the Qur'an for that. Again, that is YOUR opinion that which is written is of very little importance. I on the otherhand disagree. But then again, that is what is so great about this country - as long as we get rid of Obama as soon as humanly possible before he takes those rights from us - we do have the right to disagree still as far as I know . . .

Ema Nymton said...

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Kyrie Eleison,

You fail to understand. You may keep yourself warm at night with your bible all you want. Your beliefs are yours.

It matters not what persuasion of "faith" a person is or is not. My beliefs and faith are mine. I'd never ask another person their persuasion of "faith."

You, PackSmack, and Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul can rant all you want about how much better you all are because you are x-tians. Again this is something between you and your god.

It is when PackSmack and Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul say other people cannot follow their faiths and beliefs that I take offense. My posting here are not in defense of Islam, my postings are objections to slanders, smears, lies, threats and terror spread by PackSmack and Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul.

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I do not know of what constitution you are writing about. The 'secular' constitution I am writing about is the Constitution of USA. It protects the rights of all people.

May I suggest you stop listening to Fix 'News'. You seem to be confused.

Democracy rules. Mr Obama has been elected to the office of President by a clear majority of the people. You will have another chance to vote for Mr Obama in just under four years. Until then Mr Obama is sworn to protect and up hold the Constitution of USA.

After ten weeks Mr Obama is doing a good job.

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Kyrie Eleison 2008!!! said...

Why thanks Ema. I plan on doing just that (keeping myself warm with my not only my bible, but my God and my gun too - thanks for that Obama, that was great). Although I believe YOU are the one who is confused - to the point where you can't even describe your faith. I would think you would be proud of your faith and WANT to share it, as I have mine with you. But that's OK. I ASKED what your faith was, I certainly didn't demand to know. Also not sure where you picked up on the "about how much better you all are because you are x-tians" attitude but I'm not seeing that from any rightwinger on this blog. You are also free (as I am) to call the constitution whatever you like (secular or Christian). I choose to call it Christian because of the influence of Judeo-Christian beliefs that are not only in that document but all over the Washington D.C. in general.

I would suggest YOU stop listening to CNN (commie news network) and turn to a more fair and balanced network such as FOX. They're the only ones who are NOT an OpEd for the liberal agenda. Might as well step outside of the box and get some new material right?

IMHO-Obama is doing the worst job (at lightning speed) I've ever witnessed a president in my day accomplish. I only WISH his main goal was to protect America and not tear her down as he has over the last 10 weeks.

RightHooks said...

HOLEEEEEY SMOKES, what in Sam Hill has been going on in here? Some idiot cut a FIBER OPTIC data line in San Jose today and much of the Silicon Valley had NOTHING. No internet, no phone and even no cell phones. I was black all day long...nothing. No way to communicate. Not even at my house! Until a few minutes ago. And I open my email and there were like 40 emails from the RightHooks blog! I haven't had time to read them all, but read about 2/3 of them so far. And I have to say a few things...

First of all, Kyrie, it is nice to see you lay your cards on the table. And it is encouraging to see that your faith is in the only Savior Who died for our sins and then came back from the grave. You've got a good strong voice and have something to say. Say it loud and proud.

Ema, what the heck was that NASTY picture you linked to? My eyes are still burning. The horror....the horror....

Well, I just wanted to say that I will endeavor to catch up on all the posting here today. Sheesh, what a day to miss out on.

RightHooks said...

Hey Ben, it looks like the US State Department checked out your ICCPR article. Dig deeper on that hit's IP - there are some more clues in the host name. You didn't get a knock on your door this afternoon, did you? LOL. Obama would send his henchmen after you, but I don't think Hillary would; I think she hates him too.

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RightHooks said...

Gee, I was thinking that perhaps the rest of our readers would like to see where this blog's visitors come from. So I did some screen shots and cut and pasted the data together and posted it on the web. You can see it here:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcrprsj6_438rz2762ht

(The edges aren't perfect, because of the hurried cut and paste task, but you can see the data.)

(I just did this the first time a few minutes ago, but deleted it so that I could shield out the various access locations of me, Ben, Ema, PW, and Kyrie. Ema, I even shielded out your access from your mobile.)

Kyrie Eleison 2008!!! said...

Hi Ben & PackSmack!

Yes P.S.-things were hoppin in here the other day. I myself was out of the loop (out of town actually) and see I missed a few things so am trying to catch up as well.

I really appreciate the encouragement P.S. to speak loud and proud about the only One who not only matters, but the only One who can rightly fix this mess-Jesus Christ.

It will be interesting to see, now that the State Dept. has taken an interest in this VERY riveting blog - how long our free speech will last. I wonder if a Mr. Jay Sekulow would be interested in that information? What do you think gentlemen? Thank you for blocking the location info-although I'm not surprised from what I've seen of your "character" in posting here-that was VERY kind and incredibly gentlemenly of you sir! Thank you!