Friday, March 27, 2009

Islam vs ICCPR Article 8

ICCPR

Article 8

  1. No one shall be held in slavery; slavery and the slave-trade in all their forms shall be prohibited.
  2. No one shall be held in servitude.
4:3. And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan­girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice.

4:24. Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allâh ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allâh is Ever All­Knowing, All­Wise.

Sahih Muslim book 008, Number 3373
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Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported: We took women captives, and we wanted to do 'azl with them. We then asked Allah's Messen- ger (may peace be upon him) about it, and he said to us: Verily you do it, verily you do it, verily you do it, but the soul which has to be born until the Day of judg- ment must be born.

Umdat as-Salik O9.13

When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman's previous marriage is immediately annulled.


  • that your right hands possess
  • We took women captives, and we wanted to do 'azl with them.
  • When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture
This evidence speaks for itself, requiring no elaboration. Allah sanctions conquering people and enslaving captives. That sanction is reflected in Islamic law. The reference to azl in the hadith relates to the withdrawal method. Several related ahadith are more explicit; click the link and scroll up to read them if you want the details.

While the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia officially outlawed slavery about 1964, it is still practiced with impunity. Daniel Pipes relates the details of a case of Saudis importing a slave to America in 2000.

45 comments:

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

"Islam is evil by design, and it can't be reformed. Judaism & Christianity reformed and modernized. Islam can't do that; it is fixated on the seventh century and always will be." - 27 March 2009)

I am convinced you are right. I admit I have a whole stable of slaves whom I conquered as I have lived in USA and, even though I am a woman, four wives, all of whom I paid the appropriate fees to their ex-husbands. (Now that was expensive!) But when I do 'azl with them they say they like it.

It has been hard to hide all this from IRS (you know income tax forms and all the bothersome bureaucratic forms of modern life). I love living in the seventh century in USA (even though the North American continent was not discovered then. Oh heck, if the Mormons can have their secret golden tablets, why can't Islam have a place too?)

Now before you go off on me, remember - Allah made me do it, so it is alright! (Allah sanctions conquering people and enslaving captives. That sanction is reflected in Islamic law. The reference to azl in the hadith relates to the withdrawal method.)

Thanks for your proselytizing efforts on behalf of Islam. I am free to be open about my killings and slaves in the name of Islam.

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packerwatch said...

Let's see some more of what the Bible says about slavery:

"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."

Exodus 21:20, NIV

PackSmack said...

PW, why limit your exposition of the Bible to that verse?

I'm glad that you want to show what the Bible says.

What about these doozies:

(1 John 2:)22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.

(1 John 4:)2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

(2 John 1:) 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward. 9 Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.

(1 Peter 3:)3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” 5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

(Jude 1:) 18 that they were saying to you, “In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.” 19 These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit.

and finally, this:

(Revelation 22:) 18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.

Ignore, refute or deny at your own peril.

Good luck with that.

Ema Nymton said...

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PackSmack,

Why limit your exposition of the Bible to those verses?

Genesis -
6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

(6:3) "The LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh."

6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

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PackSmack said...

Ema,

And your point is...

Ema Nymton said...

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PackSmack,

Job -

13:7 Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him?

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packerwatch said...

The point that I have continually tried to make and that you have continually misconstrued or ignored, is that no religious text is uncorrupted. You constantly quote violence and immorality in the Qur'an, while ignoring the same things in the Bible. I'm a Christian but I don't take every word in the
Bible literally. If a true Christian must believe every word of the Bible to be a literal fact, than I guess I'm not a true Christian...

"Everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."

2 Chronicles 15:13

"If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, [a] both its people and its livestock."

Deuteronomy 13: 12-15

Ema Nymton said...

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Packerwatch,

"The point that I have continually tried to make and that you have continually misconstrued or ignored, is that no religious text is uncorrupted. You constantly quote violence and immorality in the Qur'an, while ignoring the same things in the Bible. I'm a Christian but I don't take every word in the Bible literally. If a true Christian must believe every word of the Bible to be a literal fact, than I guess I'm not a true Christian..."

Right on the money!!

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Ben said...

The Qur'an describes itself as a clear guide, the proof of Allah's will. It is given and accepted as Allah's literal word, final, perfected and immutable.

To the extent that Muslims obey what Allah said, they cause death & destruction wherever they go.

What Moe said and did is sunna, law and exemplary conduct to be emulated. Moe invaded peaceful villages, killed the men, enslaved the women and children, and took some for his personal sex slaves. When Muslims emulate that conduct, they cause great harm.

Only Islam is waging Jihad in the modern age. Most of the rape & slavery associated with modern warfare is carried out by Muslims, as in Darfur.

Hews & Christians ain't making a common practice out of smashing baby's heads on rocks and shooting their parents. Muslims who do those things are celebrated as heroes.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

"To the extent that Muslims obey what Allah said, they cause death & destruction wherever they go. "

Yep. Been busy causing death and destruction all over my neighborhood. Man it has been the bee's knees invading peaceful villages, killing the men, enslaving the women and children, and taking some for my personal sex slaves. And let us not leave out the pure joy of smashing baby's heads on rocks and shooting their parents.

"Only Islam is waging Jihad in the modern age. " As long as shrub's USA's invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan are not included.

Your anti-Islam position is simple, simplistic, silly and oh so sallow.

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packerwatch said...

"Hews & Christians ain't making a common practice out of smashing baby's heads on rocks and shooting their parents. Muslims who do those things are celebrated as heroes."

Moderate Muslims don't celebrate murderers as heroes. Nor do moderate Christians.

Fundamentalist Christians might celebrate abortion clinic bombings or killing gays, while fundamentalists Muslims might celebrate killing non-Muslims or women who don't conform to cultural norms.

I won't even deny that there is a higher number of moderate Christians than Muslims (due to many socioeconomic factors...essentially, if you're better off economically, you're less likely to embrace more radical ideas...all radical movements throughout history have come in times of socioeconomic distress, from Nazism to communist revolutions). But to suggest that Islam is intrinsically evil because of the writings of its holy book is to suggest that Christianity is intrinsically evil thanks to some of the writings in the Bible.

And I won't sit hear and listen to you bad mouth Christianity...

Ben said...

Wake up, Peckerhead!!! Christianity does not mandate world conquest!!! Christianity's founder did not model pederasty, lechery and murder for his disciples to emulate.

There is no such thing as moderate Islam. Islam has a standard, which was set by Moe's recotaton & sunna. That standard is conquest, terror & genocide. Like it or not, that is the established, well documented fact.

Bitch and moan till the cows come home about real and immagined evils of Christians and Christianity but the reality of Islamic doctrine and practice remains real and inescapable.

The Caliph makes war. When you are called to Jihad, go forth immediately. That is Islam! Islam is not anything less than that!

No distraction, no diversion, no verbal slight of hand can change that reality.

Christianity does not mandate conquest. Christianity does not sanction rape. Christianity does not mandate genocide. Christianity does not mandate casting terror. Jesus Christ did not model them for us. Islam does. Moe did. Objective factual reality: you wish to hide from it and conceal it from the world; we won't let you!

Ben said...

The best estimate of total fatalities from Jihad is 270 million.

Islam kills, it is violent by design. It was created for the purpose of enriching and empowering its founder through violent conquest. This fact is evident on the face of its canon of scripture and tradition.

A careful reading of Al-Anfal, Al-Ahzab & Al-Fath is sufficient to verify that fatal fact beyond all doubt.

8:67. ...You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allâh desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise. alone clears up the issue for any sentient person.

Denial of 8:1. ..."The spoils are for Allâh and the Messenger."... and 8:41. And know that whatever of war-booty that you may gain, verily one-fifth (1/5th) of it is assigned to Allâh, and to the Messenger... proves anyone worthy of all cursing & condemnation as a liar.

There is no such thing as moderate rape, moderate pillage or moderate plunder any more than there is moderate pregnancy or death.

In any case, retaliating after being attacked is not the moral equivalent of aggression. Shrub's error was sending troops where he should have sent strategic nuclear warheads. After the lesson of the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan, any sentient person would know that.

packerwatch said...

Ben, I'm just gonna repost these Bible verses in case you missed them.

"Everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."

2 Chronicles 15:13

"If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, [a] both its people and its livestock."

Deuteronomy 13: 12-15

I would say that slaughtering an entire population ("and its livestock") because the people want to "go and worship other gods" would be mandating conquest/genocide.

Also, the Bible seems to condone rape, murder, and conquest here:

"When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby."

Deuteronomy 20: 10-15 NIV

And slavery....

"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear..."

Ephesians 6: 5 NIV

"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."

Exodus 21: 20-21 NIV

Ben said...

Peckerhead:

Exactly where in this Goddamn world are Hebes doing that? Where, exactly are they practicing conquest? Where, exactly are they engaged in genocide? Where, exactly are they practicing slavery????

Islam is still engaged in those practices, Darfur being a prime example. Have you so soon forgotten what they did in Aceh? Or what they did in Kenya, burning churches full of Christians after a recent election?

Those O.T. doctrines do not taint Christianity:

1. The Hebes fought defensively; with the singular exception of the conquest of Canaan, all of their wars were defensive.

2. Jesus Christ neither preached nor practiced lapidation, rape or conquest. Those are not Christian doctrines. Moe preached and exemplified them. You are too stupid to tell the difference. I have pointed it out repeatedly yet you still deny it.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

Speaking of stupid how are you today?

I have problems with sanctimonious pontificating from those who “Will speak wickedly for God and talk deceitfully for him?”

Keeping in mind that winners write the history, your bible was written after the fact by men trying to justify their ungodly actions!

Take a moment with me. Chuck the Canaanite is out in his family’s fields tending herds and the lands his family has owned for generations. Up come Henry the Hebe (Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul’s epitaph) and his gang to tell “wicked” Chuck that Henry owns the land because Henry’s god says so. Not only that, but all of Chuck’s wives, children and property are slaves of Henry.

What would you suggest Chuck do? Explain again “the difference between God leading Israel into a one-time conquest of a land filled with wicked people.”

"retaliating after being attacked is not the moral equivalent of aggression. "

Then Chuck the Canaanite and his descendants are not practicing aggression after being attacked by the Hebes (your epitaph), way back when the Hebes _started_ the conquest of Canaan? So as you say, from then on, who is the aggressor?
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How many times have _you_, an admitted non-Muslim, told the world what Muslims believe?

How many times have you said that _all_ followers of Islam are absolutely irredeemably EVIL incarnate, cannot be tolerated and _must_ be indiscriminately killed?

And these cries for murder on your part are which part of true Christianity??

H@:o?
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packerwatch said...

As recently as 150 years ago people were using the Bible to justify slavery. Extremist Christians do still kill gays, based on the text of the Bible.

A politician in Canada, David Popescu, even said that gays should be executed by the government, citing the Bible as justification.

"I said I believe homosexuals should be executed...when I say homosexuals should be executed, I am speaking in terms of government actions. That is the way the Bible puts it."

What do you think about that, Ben? I hope I get an answer before you spam 20 more of your more or less identical posts and knock this post off the page.

Ben said...

Peckerhead,

J.C.: "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

Deviants do not define the doctrine! How many times must that fact be repeated before it sinks in through your thick tail feathers?

J.C. was not a slave owner; Moe was. J.c. never enslaved anyone; Moe did.

The difference is clear to all whose heads are not up their asses.

Ben said...

"I have problems with sanctimonious pontificating from those who “Will speak wickedly for God and talk deceitfully for him?”"

Considered suicide yet? Its the permanent solution.

Hebes did it once, Muslims make a constant practice of it. The difference escapes you. Muslims could have & should have learned from the Hebe precedent!

"Then Chuck the Canaanite and his descendants are not practicing aggression after being attacked by the Hebes (your epitaph), way back when the Hebes _started_ the conquest of Canaan? So as you say, from then on, who is the aggressor?"

The Canaanites had no descendants, they were wiped out, idiot. SandMaggots are not Canaanites, they are a mixture of assorted Arabs and descendants of various European & African slaves.

"How many times have _you_, an admitted non-Muslim, told the world what Muslims believe?"

What Muslims believe is irrelevant; what they do is critical. What they do reflects what they believe. A 1400 year pattern of rapine makes the matter clear. They believe what is inculcated in every Masjid & Madrassa: Islam, as revealed in the Qur'an & exemplified by Moe's sunna.

"How many times have you said that _all_ followers of Islam are absolutely irredeemably EVIL incarnate, cannot be tolerated and _must_ be indiscriminately killed?"

Zero. Islam is evil; all who practice it are evil. Those Muslims who are not evil need to break the yoke of Allah's slavery and emancipate themselves.

Defense is not murder. You pervert the language with your forked tongue.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

Mass murder and genocide, good christian values. Is it any wonder no one takes perverts like you seriously?

Please keep posting your spam, shit for brains. The humor level on this blog needs to be increased.

Q@:o?
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Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

Just as an aside, I really would like to hear how you think you are going to be able justify your anti-christian anti-human hysterical screams for killing when the time comes for you to face your maker.

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Ben said...

Res ipsa loquitur!

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

Wie man sich bettet, so liegt man.

E@:o?
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Ben said...

If you must make a straw man, Ema, don't shit on the straw first, it stinks.

packerwatch said...

"Deviants do not define the doctrine."

The Bible says that gays should be "put to death."

So that politician isn't really a deviant, is he? He is following the word of the Bible.

Also, here's Jesus wondering aloud why children who disrespect their parents aren't killed:

J.C.: "Why do you break the command of God...Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death."

Matthew 15: 3-4 NIV

Ben said...

Peckerhead,

Here is the context:
13:54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

14:1 At that time Herod the tetrarch heard of the fame of Jesus, 14:2 And said unto his servants, This is John the Baptist; he is risen from the dead; and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him.

14:3 For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife.

14:4 For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her.

14:5 And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet.

14:6 But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod.

14:7 Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask.

14:8 And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger.

14:9 And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her.

14:10 And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison.

14:11 And his head was brought in a charger, and given to the damsel: and she brought it to her mother.

14:12 And his disciples came, and took up the body, and buried it, and went and told Jesus.

14:13 When Jesus heard of it, he departed thence by ship into a desert place apart: and when the people had heard thereof, they followed him on foot out of the cities.

14:14 And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick.

14:15 And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.

14:16 But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.

14:17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.

14:18 He said, Bring them hither to me.

14:19 And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

14:20 And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full.

14:21 And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children.

14:22 And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away.

14:23 And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone.

14:24 But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary.

14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

14:26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.

14:27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.

14:28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.

14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.

14:30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.

14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? 14:32 And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.

14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

14:34 And when they were gone over, they came into the land of Gennesaret.

14:35 And when the men of that place had knowledge of him, they sent out into all that country round about, and brought unto him all that were diseased; 14:36 And besought him that they might only touch the hem of his garment: and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.

15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

(King James Bible, Matthew)


Jesus was using argumentum Tu quoque, not issuing a command.

It may come as a surprise to you, but this country is not a theocracy. The Bible does not dictate our laws.

How many queers and disobedient children did Jesus execute?

What nation executes the most queers and juveniles? What book are they ruled by?

Christianity goes by the doctrines taught by Jesus, not the Old Testament when the two conflict.

Christianity is not practicing lapidation; Islam is. Christianity is not decapitating apostates; Islam is. The difference is lost on idiots.

Ema Nymton said...

Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

What ever christianity is, you are _NOT_ a follower of christianity's teachings!

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Ben said...

Try to find something relevant, Ema, and stay away from squirrels, they eat nuts.

packerwatch said...

"What nation executes the most queers and juveniles? What book are they ruled by? "

My point is that theocracy and fundamentalism are wrong. Anyone who follows the Bible to the letter would be just as dangerous as a Muslim who takes every word of the Qur'an literally.

"Christianity goes by the doctrines taught by Jesus, not the Old Testament when the two conflict."

So what you're saying is that Judaism is evil, not Christianity?

"Try to find something relevant, Ema, and stay away from squirrels, they eat nuts."

ZING!

Ben said...

Moe preached and practiced evil; Jesus did not. Islam is evil; Christianity is not.

Muslims who practice terrorism do so in obedience to Allah & Moe. IRA who terrorize do so in contravention of Christ's teaching & example. Somehow the difference escapes you.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

"Somehow the difference escapes you."

Terrorism is terrorism. Your calling for the indiscriminate killing of _all_ followers of Islam is terrorism.

But then again, you know you are a terrorist. That is why you do it.


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Ben said...

Yer straw man argument stinks, Ema. You really souldn't use shitty straw, get some fresh fiber to work with.

We do not call for killing all Muslims. We call for emancipating as many as possible, killing only the zombies that can't be saved 'cuz they are totally committed to Satan's yoke of slavery.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

"We call for ... killing only the zombies that can't be saved 'cuz they are totally committed to Satan's yoke of slavery."

And this makes you a terrorist, calling for the killing of unarmed and defenseless _people_.

Your trying to justify your call for genocide. You cannot. You show yourself to be an ugly example of a total failure as a person.

X@:o?
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Ben said...

Is there no limit to your idiocy, Ema? Islam is an organized crime against humanity. It is not possible to be a zealous Muslim and innocent. Those who plan, order & commit murder, their sympathizers, supporters & assistants are not innocent.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

"Those who plan, order & commit murder, their sympathizers, supporters & assistants are not innocent."

And that make you ...?

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Ben said...

Ema, you seem to be defined by unlimited idiocy, insanity & venality.

Your straw man argument is not worth the match to burn it.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

"Ema, you seem to be defined by unlimited idiocy, insanity & venality. "

I am not the one calling for the mass killings of people. YOU are!

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Ben said...

Islam, which you seek to perpetuate & defend, is a continuing crime of genocide. 8:67 sets genocide as a prerequisite for profiting from prisoners of war. 47:4 commands killing and wounding "many of them". The massacre of a Jewish village after their surrender stands as a model for Armenia, Assyria, and yet more genocides.

packerwatch said...

Ok Ben, let's say that only the words spoken directly by Jesus in the Bible speak for Christianity.

That still means that Judaism teaches the brutality of the Old Testament, right?

Ben said...

Wrong! Lapidation, etc. ain't in common practice. The Reform movement rejects them. The most extreme Orthodox Jews are a tiny, ineffective minority.

Unlike Islam, Judaism is not a threat.

Ema Nymton said...

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Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,

"Judaism is not a threat."

Tell that to the people in Gaza.

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PackSmack said...

Ema, Oh, no. Don't go down that road...for it begs the question, WHY DOES ISRAEL HAVE TO DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST MUSLIMS IN GAZA???

What, you think Israel should not defend itself?

Hey, is your name Barack Obama?

Ben said...

Ema, Even the slowest Moron would recognize that remark as an accursed lie.

Israel is the victim, not the aggressor. Israel only reacts to Muslim aggression.

The whole Goddamn world knows this truth, but lacks the courage to acknowledge it.

Islamic aggression against Israel commenced between 635 & 638 and has continued ever since.

Islam requires genocide & policide against the Jews. This is a fact, which I have repeatedly proved in blog posts.

Ben said...

Packsmack, have you never observed a cat stalking a mouse or rabbit? As the rodent makes evasive maneuvers, the cat snarls, and its facial expression flashes with anger.

The predator's attitude is one of offense engendered by the prey's refusal to submit and offer its flesh and blood as a sacrifice.

Islam is the same way, it defines its prey as evil doers: rebels against Allah who must be humiliated, killed and heaped together into Hell.

The process: dehumanize, demonize, destroy.

There is only one way to deal with that sort of arrogance, the same way we dealt with Japan's Imperial arrogance 63 years ago.

packerwatch said...

Ok, then, so you are saying that most Jews, being members of the Reform movement, are not evil because they reject some of the more immoral doctrines of the Bible.

"Wrong! Lapidation, etc. ain't in common practice. The Reform movement rejects them. The most extreme Orthodox Jews are a tiny, ineffective minority. "

So are you saying that Orthodox Jews are, in fact, evil? If the reason that Reform Jews aren't evil is because they reject "Lapidation, etc," then wouldn't that imply that Orthodox Jews who don't reject that are evil?