Ali Ben Ali Mohammad Abdul,
"It is not possible to be a Muslim and oppose violence & terrorism, ... Islam is all or nothing; you can not pick and choose."
Tommyrot. Of course you can. No one can live today within the absolute constrictions of texts written by dead people thousands of year ago in far away lands.
Even the most fundamental christian bible thumping religious leaders acknowledge the need to 'pick and choose' selective parts of their holy books. The most extremist followers of jewish literature choose which part of their holy books they apply to their lives.
"Your facts are fallacies!" Honestly. Do you realize how utterly _DUMB_ yo make yourself when you say things like this? Just because you do not like the fact does not mean the fact is not true.
The person who wrote, "There are plenty of people, for example the far right in this country, or Geert Wilders' outfit in Holland, who would wish to conflate the two in order to stir up race hate." was talking about you.
- Tommyrot. Of course you can. No one can live today within the absolute constrictions of texts written by dead people thousands of year ago in far away lands.
3:4. Aforetime, as a guidance to mankind, And He sent down the criterion [of judgement between right and wrong (this Qur'ân)]. Truly, those who disbelieve in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh, for them there is a severe torment; and Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Able of Retribution.
3:7. It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad ) the Book (this Qur'ân). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkâm (commandments, etc.), Al-Farâ'id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudud (legal laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers, etc.)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allâh. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding. (Tafsir At-Tabarî).
5:3. ...This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâm as your religion. ..Disbelievers and disobedient go to Hell, Ema. Allah's book contains his commands, in clear verses, to be believed and carried out. It is perfected. Perfection can only be defiled, not improved.
Without standards and means of maintaining them and promoting uniformity, Islam would fall apart. The Qur'an & hadith are Islam's standards, by which it measures faith and practice, by which Allah will judge you amd decide where you will spend eternity. Take a good long clear eyed look at what Moe said.
Abu Dawud Book 14, Number 2497:Why did Moe say that, Ema? Get a clue!
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: He who does not join the warlike expedition (jihad), or equip, or looks well after a warrior's family when he is away, will be smitten by Allah with a sudden calamity. Yazid ibn Abdu Rabbihi said in his tradition: 'before the Day of Resurrection".
9:38. O you who believe! What is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allâh (i.e. Jihâd) you cling heavily to the earth? Are you pleased with the life of this world rather than the Hereafter? But little is the enjoyment of the life of this world as compared with the Hereafter.A search for "Obey Allah and his Messenger" turns up four Surahs. Here is one example.
9:39. If you march not forth, He will punish you with a painful torment and will replace you by another people, and you cannot harm Him at all, and Allâh is Able to do all things.
8:20. O you who believe! Obey Allâh and His Messenger, and turn not away from him (i.e. Messenger Muhammad ) while you are hearing.
- Even the most fundamental christian bible thumping religious leaders acknowledge the need to 'pick and choose' selective parts of their holy books. The most extremist followers of jewish literature choose which part of their holy books they apply to their lives.
- Fight them...
- Fight those who...
- And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war...
- ...Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you...
- ...I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.
"The least that the imam must do is that he allow no year to pass without having organised a military expedition by himself, or by his raiding parties, according to the Muslims' interest, so that the jihad will only be stopped in a year for a (reasonable) excuse.It is Islamic law because Allah commanded it and Moe did it. You can't disprove it. It ain't a musty old book, Ema, it is Allah's path to life giving waters.
- "Your facts are fallacies!" Honestly. Do you realize how utterly _DUMB_ yo make yourself when you say things like this? Just because you do not like the fact does not mean the fact is not true.
You can't ignore the facts that this ideology is rooted in a twisted reading of Islam. The academics, scholars and imams I meet to discuss these issues tell me that the message of Islam is one of peace; and the followers of Islam I meet oppose the single narrative promulgated by Al-Qaeda, and certainly oppose violence.
How could Allah's Messenger, who received Allah's revelation by agency of Jibril, mis-read it? Re-examine 3:7, cited above. Clear verses containing commands. I quoted them and linked to them above. The meaning of the words is obvious on sight. No interpretation is required. What Moe did matches what Allah said. He made war, committed genocide and terrorized his victims.
- that this ideology is rooted in a twisted reading of IslamSahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have."Muslim Book 019, Number 4294:Only an ignoramus or a damned fool will deny the obvious!
It has been reported from Sulaiman b. Buraid through his father that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him to fear Allah and to be good to the Muslims who were with him. He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of Muhairs and inform them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the Muhajirs. If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muilims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai' except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them...2:216, 8:12, 8:39, 8:60, 8:67, 9:29, 9:123 & 33:26-27 clearly prove the the M.P. to be a damned fool. The message of Islam is highlighted in this hadith
- the message of Islam is one of peaceMuslim Book 019, Number 4380:This fatal fact will become clear if you will read the sequence of message & action. In the case cited above, it was first the letter, then the march upon Tabuk. Here is another case: Khaibar Oasis. Read it and curse Islam.
...From Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah, to Hiraql, the Emperor of the Romans. Peace be upon him who follows the guidance. After this, I extend to you the invitation to accept Islam. Embrace Islam and you will be safe. Accept Islam, God will give you double the reward. And if you turn away, upon you will be the sin of your subjects." ...
- Peace if you obey the Qur'an, otherwise: war.
- Be safe if you embrace Islam, otherwise: invaded.
- Reject Islam and be damned, after we kill you.
LETTER TO THE JEWS OF KHYBER In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful From Muhammad, the Prophet of Allah who is like Moosa (Moses A.S.) a prophet and messenger and he testifies to what Moosa (A.S.) had brought. 0 people of Torah, has Allah not stated in the Torah that "Muhammad (Sal Allaho Alehe Wasallam) is a Prophet of Allah. The people who will be with him, shall be harsh towards the enemies of Allah. And amongst themselves, they shall be kind and loving. They shall bow and prostrate before Allah. And they shall seek His bounty and goodwill". I ask you to swear by Allah, who sent Torah for you and who made your forefathers eat 'mann, and 'Salva' and dried sea for them and rid them of the tyranny of pharaoh. It is not written in Torah that you should believe in me? After the explanation about me in the Torah, do guidance and transgression become apparent? Therefore I invite you towards Allah and His Prophet.' Seal: Allah's Prophet Muhammad
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 143:Moe sent extortion letters by private currier and followed up with his army. Message of peace my ass!
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet said to Abu Talha, "Choose one of your boy servants to serve me in my expedition to Khaibar." So, Abu Talha took me letting me ride behind him while I was a boy nearing the age of puberty. I used to serve Allah's Apostle when he stopped to rest. I heard him saying repeatedly, "O Allah! I seek refuge with You from distress and sorrow, from helplessness and laziness, from miserliness and cowardice, from being heavily in debt and from being overcome by men." Then we reached Khaibar; and when Allah enabled him to conquer the Fort (of Khaibar), the beauty of Safiya bint Huyai bin Akhtab was described to him. Her husband had been killed while she was a bride. So Allah's Apostle selected her for himself and took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad-AsSahba,' where her menses were over and he took her for his wife. Haris (a kind of dish) was served on a small leather sheet. Then Allah's Apostle told me to call those who were around me. So, that was the marriage banquet of Allah's Apostle and Safiya. Then we left for Medina. I saw Allah's Apostle folding a cloak round the hump of the camel so as to make a wide space for Safiya (to sit on behind him) He sat beside his camel letting his knees for Safiya to put her feet on so as to mount the camel. Then, we proceeded till we approached Medina; he looked at Uhud (mountain) and said, "This is a mountain which loves us and is loved by us." Then he looked at Medina and said, "O Allah! I make the area between its (i.e. Medina's) two mountains a sanctuary as Abraham made Mecca a sanctuary. O Allah! Bless them (i.e. the people of Medina) in their Mudd and Sa (i.e. measures)."Either her sample is composed of hypocrites or deceivers practicing al-taqeyya. If you reject violence, you must reject Islam because the religion of Islam is Jihad. This fatal fact is made abundantly clear in one hadith collected by Abu Dawud.
- the followers of Islam I meet oppose the single narrative promulgated by Al-Qaeda, and certainly oppose violence.Abu Dawud Book 23, Number 3455:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
I heard the Apostle of Allah, (peace_be_upon_him) say: When you enter into the inah transaction, hold the tails of oxen, are pleased with agriculture, and give up conducting jihad (struggle in the way of Allah). Allah will make disgrace prevail over you, and will not withdraw it until you return to your original religion.
- The person who wrote, "There are plenty of people, for example the far right in this country, or Geert Wilders' outfit in Holland, who would wish to conflate the two in order to stir up race hate." was talking about you.
Ema, every time you tap the keyboard with your forked tongue, you display the ignorance of a damned fool & liar to the world wide web. You stand the truth on its head, but you can't disprove it. The evidence supports my case, not yours, that is why I cite evidence and you can't.